1. Framingham Action Coalition for Environmental Safety (FACES) wants the town to put up bilingual signage....

OH, cry me a river! Move out of there! This problem is not going to go away.
The area is Framingham's Love Canal.....Your house values are going down, and your health concerns are increasing. Hmmm seems like a no brainer to me.
But NO! You folks see gold in them there mountains and are looking for for some
sort of compensation down the road. Why else would anyone stay there.
If you really cared about you kids you would move out to protect them. So this just shows me your motives are not pure. Please explain to me why you're not leaving, and allowing future health related problems to come upon yourselves.
It makes no sense to me.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Only when the Brazilians became involved did this become a problem. Seems like a ChaaaChang  Chaaachang opportunity for them as always. People have lived there since I was a kid and had to put up with GC. 

The Brazilians have there own polluted rivers and areas in Brazil even worse than here and they come here making a fuss thinking their lives are even more precious than those who have lived here for eons

Meanwhile, "most" of these foreigners have their own love canals in their own bodies, they broke into America and they themselves have no health checks while working here in the labor and food industries or with the elderly. Where is the board of health on that time bomb?

http://www.rense.com/general79/dise.htm

We've complained to our health department on that issue to no avail. Like they can't do anything about that problem.

For those who want to "brand" Framingham here is your chance, we got love cannal in that neighborhood with the ground and a lot of the neighbors themselves

Joe Rizoli

Kim....Most of the people in that neighborhood are renters.
I'm sure they can move anytime they want.
We just came from Leland St and did our expsosing the Witch hunt against General Chemical. What we have here are opportunist( local activist) getting in with the high fulooten lawyers from Boston who capitalized in recruiting the immigrant community to make cash in on a big payday here.
Interesting how no one cared about the area when the poor mixed white/black American community lived there 50 yrs ago. My expose will be in the next Weekly Show on Saturday 9 pm, if I get it done today.
Jim @ccfiile.com

Fulooten - LOVE that! Seriously underutilized word :)

I am not going to get into it too much here, because I know how these conversations go on this topic with Jim.
Jim said-"Framingham Action Coalition for Environmental Safety (FACES) wants the town to put up bilingual signage...." if you look at the link (http://www.framinghamma.gov/DocumentView.aspx?DID=5175) , you will see that FACES is asking the town to see to it that it gets done and bill back to GCC!

Here is the short video I did today about GC.
I try to bring the truth out, not Witch Hunt hysteria.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxFkXwvL6Rc
jim@ccffile.com

The Jim video shows a bi-lingual sign that is Spanish.
Obviously the people complaining here haven't even been by the site. Typical of the "opportunist" who get hysteria whipped up by the high "fulootens" .
You just can't trust those fulootens.

Joe Rizoli

Kristen....I think your point about the blighted house is bogus!
When you want to accuse someone else of blight it's ok but if someone went after one of your supporters and accused them of living in a blighted house you cry racist and hater. General Chemical keeps that area nice and clean it's the passerby's that mess it up as my video showed.
Your dollar signs you think you're going to collect are turning into paper trash on the side of the road.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Jim, First of all, get your facts straight. FACES went before the BOS to request assistance in getting bilingual signage for (and eventually demolition of )contaminated & dilapidated properties that belong to General Chemical. Sorry you wasted this beautiful day chasing misinformation.
Not one person involved with FACES is hoping/dreaming of getting rich off of this. I am extremely offended by such an allegation. We have spent countless hours, researching, knocking on doors, attending ALL of the (boring) BOH hearings, holding meetings with State Reps, Senator Spilka, the DEP IN Boston. We have spent our own money and time on getting information to the public. We have lost sleep over all of this.
This is not a witch hunt, this is typical of a HUGE Corporation taking advantage of an area of town that can't/won't stand up and say NOT HERE! You have said it before this would NEVER have happened on the north side of town. They wouldn't stand for it! Good for them! They shouldn't, and WE shouldn't either!! Finally, people;GOOD people are speaking up. This is not easy for many of us, but we do it because SOMEBODY has to!! This can't be allowed to go on! Please, do not turn this into an 'illegal" issue.

After reading the link by Kristen I have no doubt these people from "faceless" are in this for money.

These people talk about these abandoned houses, yet at the other end of the street by MCI are abandoned houses. No concern there? No squatters, homeless concerns for those houses are there?

It seems these "faceless" people need to show us what legal team is behind them from Boston. How many "immigrants" are represented by this "faceless" group.
How many illegal immigrants are represented by this group. I smell a rat here. I am not saying that GC has a perfect track record here but MOST of my relatives grew up at the Carlson rd projects and now that the immigrants have come into the picture they now have more rights and recourse than them? Their health is more important than all my relatives?

Before any of these faceless people get any recourse then you'd better go back at least 70 years for my Kin.

If you people don't like the GC site then don't go near it.

Like I said, Jim shows in his video signs in other languages. Whoever is behind these faceless people obviously hasn't even been near the site to know that.

You remind me of people that jump on MBTA bus crashes, after the crash, looking for a settlement.

Lastly, have the people that actually work or have worked at that site had any health problems attributed to working there?

These should be the FIRST concerns not some Johnny come lately immigrants smelling the greenbacks

Joe Rizoli

Kristen.....It is a legal issue. They have the right to be there. You just don't want them in your backyard. Who do you know have been harmed by them being there?
Bilingual signs....LOL If you come to this country and want to live under a rock than good luck.
Time to learn English and find out what is good and bad around you.
If your people are stupid enough to move there knowing what is down the street from them than too bad for them. i get tired of this "We didn't know crap".
You're opportunist trying to make an issue out of nothing.
It's a toxic Love Canal....get used to it. Time to move.
Who are your lawyers? Can we at least know who is going to bat for you?
jim@ccfiile.com

Kim...those houses are not the issue.
How come no one is concerned about the MCI house on the corner near MCI?
When people move out of an area you have empty houses, that get run down.
Honestly....this is what is going to happen to more homes in that neighborhood.
You live on a street with a company that handled chemical waste, what do you expect when people find out and move away.
I think local activist are great. This is a no win situation, because the solution is pretty drastic.
If the Govt. ever decides to clean the place up, a lot of you will have to move.
So the winners will lose......If I lived on the street I would just move. Not worth the aggravation.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Kim~ thank you. I actually prefer to fly under the radar, but had to defend myself and my peers.
Jim & Joe~I'll tell you again, I am 2+ miles from there...We don't want them there, because they should not be there, they do not belong next to an ELEMENTARY SCHOOL & a residential neighborhood!! Did you get that through your heads yet? I am done with the Rizoli bros.

Those houses are part of the issue. Blight is an issue. Not the whole issue, of course, but part of it. And Jim, I honestly believe you wouldn't move if you lived on that street. And I believe that because you yourself are an activist. It would be a lot easier for you to move out of Framingham, but you choose to stay and fight against the injustices you see around you. You rail against what has happened to your town over the generations. We all have an obligation to call out what we see around us and try to fix it rather than just walk away. I hope more and more people become angry enough to fight for their causes in the organized and intelligent way that Kristen and FACES have, especially with a problem as complex as this. It's easy to walk away; it takes guts and courage and conviction to fight the hard fight. But I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, because you are exactly the same way. You don't back down. You fight. And that's exactly what they are doing.

Kristen....What do you want to accomplish?
If you want them out of there then how do you propose a thorough cleanup?
Getting rid of them is NOT the main issue, the pollution under the ground is.
Even with them gone the pollution still remains, which is hundreds of feet down.
How easily do you think that will be done without an inconvenience to the abettors?
Lets be somewhat realistic here.
Kim....I would be out of there in a heart beat. To stay in a neighborhood with that history and the uprooting future cleanup ahead you'd have to have your head examined. I guess the toxicity is getting to some of the people there.
jim@ccfiile.com

Donald and others so concerned, why don't you find who was behind the GC coming here in the first place? Who let them get the permits? Which Selectmen were responsible for letting them come to Framingham? Connect the dots.
Right now the FACES web site is very threatening to the town itself for the wrong reasons. Just what we need for the town to be sued. Get your FACTS before the threats.
I'd love to see who was responsible for GC coming here in the first place. What sold them for that spot?
It seems GC inherited this problem from someone else.

Joe Rizoli

Kristen, you're done with us????? You better learn how to stay in the fight lady. We aren't your problem. In order for you to win this you need to get people that work or have worked for GC to get on your side. You need people that have had serious health problems from working at GC. If you can link illness from their own people then you've struck the mother lode. If not then you have a neighbor that you just want out of the area. So you need to buckle down and do more research. So start being concerned for those that have a bigger link first hand to GC, those who work or have worked there. Put ads in the paper.

Find health links real not imagined, and be concerned with the immigrants on your side because their being on your side doesn't help your cause. They are only opportunist. They are always the victims and will get people like us who see through them. If you want our help getting your message out will can videotape your side of the story. Jim has his email get in touch with him.

Joe Rizoli

Joe - I think what she means when she says she is "done" with you guys, is not that she doesn't know how to stay in the fight, as you say. Her fight is not with you. She is doing more important things for her community than spending time arguing with some nincompoops (no offense), who are so clearly misinformed (again, no offense). I don't know her, but from her posts I'm sure Kristen can stand up for herself, and fight the fight when it needs to be fought. But (unlike me), I'm sure she has better things to do than get into it on the Patch discussion board with the two of you.

John....You can condescend with us all you want.....bottom line we know the problems of the town, what to do to fix them and no one has listened and here we are.
The town allowed GC to operate there so there you go......Blame them....
The people living there were stupid enough to move into a neighborhood that has a toxic chemical problem.....Whose to blame?
Now they want in a click of a finger for it all to go away. Ain't going to happen!
You blame us Rizoli's for telling you the truth, what else is new. Typical pass the buck.
I just sit back and watch the town implode and say.....you should of listened to us years ago. No sweat off my back.
What's ahead.....If the Faceless people have their way the school will be closed down, and we will need another...ca-ching! They will want the town to pay for their "pain and suffering" another ca-ching! The illegals living there will sue because of civil rights violations, (no signs in Spanish or Portuguese).
Yup, we have a lot to look forward to.....
Why....because people seem to be deaf......
Jim@ccfiile.com

John, Kristen doesn't listen to good sincere advice, either do you. My advice is simple, it ask questions to build a case not one on a scam to eventually sue the town by a group of sincere people like Kristen being used by immigrants who probably haven't lived here more than a few years at most, the "Johnny come latelys"

You can bet sure as hell my fight is to seek justice here and not be used as usual by an immigrant clientele who is only interested in money.

A big question I had asked was of the people that work for GC. Is Kristen concerned for their health? They work there,
If the people on the site, those in the supposed pit of hell, are still healthy then you have no case.

How can you prove a health issue when the "immigrants" themselves, probably illegal at that, have NEVER had health checks when they broke into the country themselves? PROVE they have health concerns attributed to this site, not going to happen.

Stop being stupid people, wake up and smell the coffee.
This is nothing short of a shakedown, WHO are the real criminals here?

Joe Rizoli

The "FACELESS" people are trying to shake the company and the town down. Have you read their PDF file on who they are? They admit that they want compensation from GC, and if they don't get it from them they will get it from the town. The Selectman better get their Lawyers ready for this one....Hard to believe you don't see this coming. This organization is nothing more than an extortion ring. They are getting advise from their extortion 'liars" I mean Lawyers....who are going to take everyone for all they can get. I for one am not going to stand for it! If you folks here don't stand up against them they will run all over us!
This is a Witch Hunt designed to look innocent, but ultimately they want to extort money from the town. Nice bunch of folks we're dealing with here....NOT!
I'm still wanting to know who their Lawyers are. Why aren't they letting us know?
They are probably still in jail.....looking for their next big score.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Here is the EXTORTION that is written on the FACELESS presentation given to the Framingham board of Selectpersons:

>>Conclusion
• We are asking for the Town of Framingham to demand that these actions are taken by GCC
• The Town (Building Commissioner) is required to undertake these actions pursuant to the State Building Code.
• If GCC does not comply in a timely manner then the Town of Framingham should be held accountable for safeguarding this environmental justice site
• The Town of Framingham should be able to bill back to GCC<<

Great, you're going to sue the town and hard working taxpayers? THEN ask the town to regroup that money later from GCC ?

What are you people nuts? You people here that claim intelligence you can't see the problem here?

Joe Rizoli

Let's not forget the players in this extortion racket.

The Faces players or are they Faceless players?

http://framingham.patch.com/articles/faces-group-calls-for-health-board-to-clean-up-close-down-general-chemical

>>FACES (the Framingham Action Coalition for Environmental Safety), a group initially formed by a handful of South Framingham residents, has expanded its reach far beyond the immediate neighborhood. 

In addition to more than 50 individuals, 13 groups have signed on as supporters of FACES’ effort to clean up and close down General Chemical.  Supporting organizations include Toxics Action Center, Conservation Law Foundation, MassCOSH, the Framingham Coalition, the Brazilian Alliance, and three local churches.>>

The town should DEMAND the names of EVERYBODY in this Faces group, legal and illegal. You want transparency, then let us see the players or are we really the faceless group that it appears you to be.

Names of the people that live in the vicinity of this supposed bio- hazard site please, that signed this petition.

Let's see if these some of these people are even real. I am especially interested in the group "The Brazilian Alliance", love to see the skeletons in their closet.

Joe Rizoli

Jim/Joe - I didn't mean to be condescending, sorry if it came across that way. My use of the word "nincompoop" or describing your statements as "misinformed" was not intended as a put-down. It was simply my way to describe the situation as I see it. On the other hand, most of your messages on this and other stories eventually come down to you stating that the two of you are the only ones who understand what is really happening, and the rest of the town are idiots or part of some vast conspiracy to not see what is "really" the cause of all our problems. THAT is condescending. Your wrote above that the two of you "know the problems of the town, what to do to fix them and no one has listened." Just because most people disagree with your perspective and interpretation of things, doesn't mean that we didn't listen. Likewise, (and to get back to my original point), just because Kristen decides not to respond in a back and forth with you, doesn't mean she doesn't know how to "stay in the fight." And the problem with your conspiracy theories, is that conspiracies require vast cooperation among many people to keep them secret. Human nature is just that it is hard for someone to keep a secret, let alone many people. Eventually someone will "spill the beans" and the conspiracy would unravel. That is why I don't believe in conspiracies.

John....the fixing of Framingham's problems are pretty easy, as are most problems if people just listen to what's going on.
People are more concerned with not upsetting people more than fixing the problems.
Hate to say it, fixing problems will piss some people off, that's the way it is.
The town and many other chose to put their head in the sand....no problem for us. They and all of us will pay for it later in higher taxes,crime and just the quality of ife factor.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Time to expose the FACELESS alliances.......
What were they again?
Supporting organizations include Toxics Action Center, Conservation Law Foundation, MassCOSH, the Framingham Coalition, the Brazilian Alliance, and three local churches.>>

Hmmm.....The Brazilian Alliance seems like one that has an agenda.
Going for that pot of Gold.....
Jim@ccfiile.com

The whole discussion about bilingual signs is not the issue Perhaps a skull and crossbones would be enough
The school should not have been expanded 14 years ago The pollution must be cleaned up as soon as possible

Ned.....They don't want Skull and crossbones...that makes too much sense.
They have to have signs that people can read in their language.
They want to sue GC, and the town is they don't get things done there quickly.
They also want to close down the school, which will be part of the game.
In regards to getting it cleaned up......they already closed the GC on one side of the street. So what do they want done now......Oh...they want Clean Ventures run out of town to.
Gee...anything else you want? I have an idea....How about all you people just move out of town. They will bulldoze your houses and clean the place up the way it should be done. Happy now? I doubt it........ you didn't get any money, and the Brazilians whom your using as an oppressed people won't be able to retire back home in Brazil.
Jim@ccfiile.com

The only time this issue went off the ground was when the Brazilians got on board. They probably won't be staying long if they have to come out of the shadows to expose who they really are.

As to the site itself. The school side is on the side of GC, which is completely shut down and secured.

Signs are up in other languages. Maybe a skull and crossbones with a soccer ball in its mouth would be an added touch. Hey, why not have a border patrol agent chasing a skull and crossbones character back to the border.

I suppose the way the town is going maybe we should get the United Nations to get involved and put up a sign in all the languages of the world. Then again on the Leland/Weld St and that area, maybe that many languages are spoken there, hehehe.

Joe Rizoli