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Controversial Photo at Tomb of the Unknown Soldier: Should There Be Consequences?

A photo has created a firestorm and led to a woman being fired from her job on Cape Cod.

 

Lindsey Stone of Plymouth last month posted a photo on Facebook of herself making an obscene gesture at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington National Cemetery.

Both Stone and Jamie Schuh, the woman who took the photo, have apologized about the incident.

Stone, and employee of Life Inc., a living facility for adults with disablilities in Hyannis, has been fired from her position. 

On its Facebook Page, Life Inc. posted the following:

On Nov. 19 at approximately 6 p.m., we became aware that one of our employees had posted an offensive, inappropriate photograph on her personal Facebook page. The photo was taken at a national historic site in October by a fellow employee during a trip to Washington, D.C. attended by 40 residents and eight staff. The photo has since been removed from Facebook, and both employees have been placed on unpaid leave pending the results of an internal investigation.

This photograph in no way reflects the opinions or values of the LIFE organization, which holds our nation’s veterans in the highest regard. We are proud to have veterans serving on our staff and board of trustees, and we value their service. The men and women who have selflessly fought and sacrificed their lives to protect the rights and lives of Americans deserve our utmost respect and gratitude. We are acutely aware that this photo has done a disservice to veterans and we are deeply saddened that it was taken and shared in a public medium.

Since the photo went viral, the Facebook Page "Fire Lindsey Stone" has been created and by mid-week, had more than 18,000 likes.

Tell Us: Will you be more careful about what you post on Facebook?

Related Topics: Sound off and Tomb of the Unknown Soldier

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Billy C.

9:44 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

To disrespect the very men and womed that gave her the freedon to do such things must make all Veterans happy to see how our hard won freedeom is being put to use. Perhaps if they actually had to wear a miitary uniform they would be more inclined to show proper respect.

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Kira Gagarin

12:41 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Who said exercising your Freedom of Speech has no consequences?

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Michael Miller

7:16 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

I am a veteran and consider myself to be quite patriotic, but in this case I think firing these young ladies is a bit of an overreaction. This is an example of extreme poor taste and lack of judgement on their parts, but young people make errors in judgement everyday.

Abby

8:12 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

She and her friend were fired. I was against the firing until I learned she was on a "working" vacation with clients from the facility. But I still hope both women sue their former employer.

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Kira Gagarin

12:42 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

For what? Its at will employment, most likely. I guess suing is even more American than freedom of Speech.

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jojo

6:07 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012

Abby thats assinine your are part of this nations problem

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brian welch

6:21 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012

really,, your out of line too..all her trouble came by her own actions...wow

Denjes2

8:17 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

The photo shows her intentionally screaming and gesturing next to a sign that asks for the visitors' silence and respect. She did neither. Nor did she respect her position as a responsible staff person for the company. The company has every right to take any action it feels to be appropriate. Hopefully she will learn from this.

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StephenJP

9:10 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Stupid is as stupid does. Considering how and why she was there I believe she left the company no choice. It was bad enough that she did it but to post it was asking for trouble.

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Donna Brideau

10:14 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

The sad part is that these brave heros fought to give her the right to be ignorant. The firing I am unsure of all the details so will not comment on that part.

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Greg lapworth

10:15 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Pleased to see she was fired. Hope it sets an example. The company should sue she and her friend.

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Laura DiDio

10:16 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of expression which are guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. I also believe in responsibility. Without the brave actions and sacrifice of our military servicemen and women, individuals like Lindsey Stone & Jamie Schuh might not have the freedom. Making obscene gestures at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and taking a photo of it, is NOT in my opinion freedom of expression. It is disrespectful and obscene. The fact that they did this while they were working and supposed to be caring for disabled persons and disabilities indicates they were recklessly and willfully ignoring their charges. The fact that they uploaded the photo to Facebook indicates their stupidity and ignorance. I believe the Life organization was justified in firing them. I hope the organization and the families of the people who are patients at the facility conduct a thorough investigation to see if either Stone or Schuh are guilty of any instances of neglect or abuse. I sure wouldn't want any of my family members under their care!

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Francis P. Ardito,Sr

1:47 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Guess what? The ACLU has given notice to defend the girls' rights. Here we go again!

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Jan Galkowski

6:03 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

If Nazis march in a heavily Jewish neighborhood, would you also claim that is NOT, in your opinion, an expression of freedom of expression?

One of the reasons the Bill of Rights was ADDED to the Constitution was the fear of the Founders that the United States might dissolve into the anarchy that descended from the French Revolution, an anarchy that was propelled by the majority squelching the opinions of the minority and, in the end, enforcing that by executions.

Remember who defended the British soldiers who were indicted for the Boston Massacre?

The gesture and actions are disrespectful. Do they rise to the level of qualifying for dismissal from a job? I don't know the particulars, but ASSUMING I do, I would say not.

Blanchard Warren

11:14 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Amen, Laura. As a legionaire, I couldn't agree more.

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Steven Levy

11:25 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

This is NOT a freedom of speech issue. The Constitution and Bill of RIghts define our form of government and our freedoms from government prosecution. It does not define our freedom to act like idiots or guarantee there will be no repercussions in our personal or professional relationships. There is no carte blanche guaranteed to say and do anything you feel with no consequences. The company can use any criteria they deem appropriate to establish or end their relationship with an employee so far as they do not violate a law that regulates such relationships (i.e. discrimination). In this case, the employee showed incredibly poor judgement, particularly while on a work-sponsored trip. The firing was totally appropriate.

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Jan Galkowski

6:22 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

I'd say your understanding of the First Amendment and clarifications of the law since are mistaken. In particular, I quote:

"The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted, the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments."

(Source: http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment)

Recall, the original posting was done in a digital forum, Facebook. I think there's a real question whether Facebook can legally censor a political act, or "noncommercial speech".

Finally,

"The most basic component of freedom of expression is the right of freedom of speech. The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without interference or constraint by the government....

'It allows an individual to express themselves through publication and dissemination. It is part of the constitutional protection of freedom of expression."
(Source: http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment)

Certainly, I agree private individuals can make decisions based upon anything they choose. Employers may fire people, especially if the employment is in a "retain at will" state, as Massachusetts is. However, the rights and privileges of the individuals so harmed by dissemination of an opinion cannot be deprived either.

Townie

11:26 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

She is obviously not to bright. Don't know her but I think that it was a poor attempt at humor?
May have been funny if it were done at the library.......not a national cemetery.
Consequences will follow rightfully so.

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Peg

11:34 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

She's 30 years old and still acting like a 10 year old!!! Perhaps one visit to Walter Reed Hospital in DC will wake this woman up and realize how disrespectful her act was and why so many are appalled by her actions.

She was on a business trip representing her employer. Who was watching the people these two were in charge of while she was pulling this idiotic prank? Her employer had every right to fire her.

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brian welch

6:27 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012

good for you peg, i agree..at least somebody gets how disrspectfull she was,instead of talking about her rights,,, you go peg,,the tomb deserves respect

Ed

12:53 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Steve Levy stole my thunder. The Constitution and Bill of Rights say that CONGRESS shall make no law that inhibits freedom of speech. Sure, you can say whatever you want, and act like a jackass, and that's not illegal, but Steve and I (and most everyone else) as private citizens might not care for your antics. We don't have to like your speech. We are perfectly within OUR rights to ask you to knock it off, shun you, and choose not to associate with you, or employ you. Mark Cain must've flunked civics.

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Paul Bishop

1:53 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Agreed, Ed- and she was on a work-related trip. She should have lost her job for that reason only. Although the original photo was taken as mocking the SIGN and not Arlington itself, it is garnering reaction as if she was making a direct and clear attack on the veterans of this nation, which was never the case. What has been done via social media with the photo is FAR worse than anything she did.

I spent quite a bit of time discussing this with TWO veterans who INSISTED they support physically harming her, imprisoning her, having her deported, and a host of other horrific statements. Understand at this point she fears for her life. For making a joke, as stupid as the joke was. This is from veterans.. and it's shameful.

What has erupted from what was a bad joke is nothing short of a lynch mob and deserves no more respect than one. This went from a case of a girl who needed to be taught a lesson to open season for bullies. What lesson do you suppose she learned from this type of conduct? Certainly not the one she should have.

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GM

2:53 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Paul, you said that you talked to two veterans who were advocating for some form of physical punishment in this situation. But I suspect you have heard from far more than two veterans on this thread alone who have indicated that they personally deplore the action, but didn't advocate that some severe legal punishment be imposed. Given the distribution of reactions that a review of these comments to this article reveals, how do you get to a "lynch mob" and "open season for bullies"? Sounds to me like the only open season here is an open season for hyperbole.

Chris L.

2:58 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Their right to Freedom of Speech is absolutely protected by the First Amendment, however, nowhere in the Amendment is any language advocating job security. She's not being locked up for her picture, therefor, the Amendment worked as intended. There are always consequences.

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Carolyn Landry

5:42 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

A 30 year woman (or woman/child), who posted a picture of herself posing with an obscene gesture at the sign of the Unknown Soldier, is about as dumb as the person that took the picture. I say, sentence them to 1,000 hours of working at a Vet's Hospital, and then they'll see what these men have done for our UNITED STATE OF AMERICA. The two of them must be about the dumbest people in the state.
C.Landry

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Paul Bishop

5:50 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

GM, I pointed those two out of HUNDREDS of posts calling for many types of violence and retribution... But I did so because these were veterans, people who know better. You have totally missed my point. My point is that these threats, calls, and emails continue... Even though she has publicly and vehemently apologized and attempted to explain. I am pointing out that some people's actions in the name of 'patriotism' are anything but... and that I am appalled by this type of shameful behavior in the name of false bravado.Nutbags are making this an assault on our soldiers and their sacrifice... which was clearly never the intent of the girl, who needs a civics lesson on WHY it shouldn't be done- not threats for physical violence or incarceration. The men actually IN Arlington fought for her right to say awful things without fear of violence or imprisonment, to call for such things in their names is shameful, that's all... Especially AFTER she has repeatedly and publicly apologized for what was a bad joke gone wrong.

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Greg lapworth

6:23 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Chris got it right. On their own time they can say and do as they please. However, when you are on the companies "dime" you are representing them. So they have the right to sack you. Should be a lesson for all.

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Bob Bobson

8:39 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Freedom of speech is imperative.
Unless the person is saying something you disagree with.
Then the person should be fired from his or her position, whatever it may be.
After all, those she was disrespecting died to make sure we could decide what is and is not appropriate to say.

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David Nolta

2:23 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012

Having seen the picture, I must say I just don't get it. The young woman's actions seem dumb, in more ways than one. The subsequent dismissal seems unsurprising, given the particular circumstances (I read elsewhere that the woman was on a "working vacation"; what on earth is that?); merited or not, it's hardly major news. The threats of violence and punishment described, very credibly, by Paul (such a lot of threatening lately...) seem absurd and uncivilized. In the end, I think it's best just to keep in mind that no gesture, however crude or idiotic or misguided, changes or in ANY WAY diminishes the sacrifice which is the essential meaning of the Tomb. Some things simply cannot be desecrated. Arlington is one of those things.

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Chris L.

12:00 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012

They were victims of perception, as well as their own poor judgment. The fact that they were on a "working vacation" leads me to believe that the trip was in some way funded by their employer, so basically their entire time in DC was on the company's dime, meaning they should have tread a little more carefully in their choices.

And as a company that specializes in care for disabled people, its generally best to be known for having a caring and compassionate staff. This photo, regardless of intent, destroyed that perception, and put the company in a tough spot. They couldn't continue to sell themselves as caring and compassionate providers of service if these two were still on the payroll, so.......

As far as threatening them goes...maybe the people threatening them should have invited them to defend their ideas in a public place, and not so much threatened to just track them down and beat them.

Christine Thompson

4:15 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012

These two were working when accompanying the developmentally challenged clients to DC. They are responsbile for teaching skills and behavior modeling to the clients. So it is clear that they did not follow through with their job criteria thus the termination of their employment was the right thing to do given their inappropriate behaviors.. Can you imagine a busload of the clients giving the finger to other peoplein public as they "learned that behavior from the staff person"? Secondly the staff's behavior was one of disrespect to the veterans who fought so that we can have our freedom. Then to post this on Facebook which is very public, how dumb could they be ? I would not want them working with my family member should one be "developmentally challenged".

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MrMilford

5:01 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012

If they were Muslim women, I bet this would not have even made the news. Everyone would have been too scared of somehow not being "PC" enough.

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brian welch

6:46 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012

oh by th way miss funny my sons in the airforce,he finished in the top 1 % of the airforoce..he is a combat controller ,,which means he provides air support,,for the ground tropps.on the ground,, he has been deployed to afganastan 3 times ,,and somila once.. and as a parent its my woarst fear,, is that he should return in a box with a flag over it,,, now think of all the graves you passd in arlinton,,and all the parents,,,brothers sisters mother,, sons and duaghtrs that have weeped, over the loss of all those brave soliders,, and in the most hollow place in arlinton you pull that disrspectfull act wow...... just so you know,,,my fredom says i am one pissed off dad,,for what you did.,i have been all over the u.s.and seen all kinds of beauty...the tomb of the unknow is still the most imprssive thing i have ever seen in my life...it has the grand canyon beat by 10.000 times,,I only wish someday you can grasp, the dedication of the honor guards,,guarding the falln

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Chris L.

6:50 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012

I am picturing in my head just how much of your entry had red squiggly lines under it before you hit "submit".

brian welch

7:39 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012

WOW so your a english major good for you

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Chris L.

7:42 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012

That depends...was what you typed English? There may be people who are English majors who would have struggled to translate that. You literally had a misspelling, grammatical, or punctuation error every 3rd or 4th word.

You're not an English major.

brian welch

7:48 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012

you probally think what she did was alright to, its not about my bad english.at least I know how to give respect to ,the soliders that dserve it.. Chris L

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Chris L.

7:52 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012

I am a 12 year Navy veteran, and I think what she did was wrong, but she was punished for it, so I'm ok with letting her go on with her life. She learned an expensive lesson, no need to keep beating her up over it.

I also believe that if you're going to share your thoughts on the matter, you should do it in a way that literate adults could understand.

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Kira Gagarin

8:46 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012

I understood it just fine and thought it was very well written. These are blog comments that many of us type from our phones, not New York Times articles. More than a bit petty that that was all "Chris L" got from the post. Glad you feel better calling someone out on his or her grammatical errors in the midst of a serious discussion. Must be real satisfying.

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Chris L.

9:56 am on Monday, November 26, 2012

Thanks to the Snowflake Generation, there are no longer standards or expectations in America. It is the main reason that a woman who works with the disabled thinks its "funny" to be disrespectful at Arlington, and why a (presumably) grown adult can type in "teen-speak" and people jump to their defense.

It does not make me feel good to have to point out to someone who is probably a generation older than me that their grasp of the English language is atrocious. No wonder so many jobs are being shipped overseas...sure, their accents may be annoying, but their English is better than many Americans.

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Kira Gagarin

6:15 pm on Monday, November 26, 2012

English: A+. Logic: ?

You are saying that someone a generation older than you has bad English and that jobs are being shipped overseas. Then something about the snowflake generation (which is on my to do list now to look up) and standards waning. Seems like grammar is improving if you are schooling someone that much older than you? But I digress. And now I'm starting sentences with conjunctions. Eeks.

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Chris L.

8:23 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012

The conditions of the one person's bad grammar and jobs being shipped overseas are called mutually exclusive. The jobs will be shipped overseas, regardless of the grammar of this one individual, and this individual's grammar will be atrocious regardless of where the jobs are.

My contention is that we live in a society where its ok to have bad grammar, where no one is allowed to call each other out on their own shortcomings. I have plenty, and I get people like Dave Nolta to help me see some of mine. Ironically, him and I were able to find common ground in this subject.

Growing up in the dying days of the Cold War, I think America was a stronger country when we had a common enemy, such as Communism. Now, with the murkiness of who is or isn't on our side on the global stage, we've turned against each other, rather than bonding together to rise up as a country. We've admittedly lost our edge.

If David Nolta could follow my logic, and agree with it, I might have been on to something.

David Nolta

5:28 pm on Monday, November 26, 2012

Nobody feels the irony more than I do, but I am in total agreement with Chris L on this one. Both with regard to the imbecility of the original action (a three-part perfect storm of imprudence: the gesture, the picture, the publication on Facebook...) and the unsurprising followup which should presumably be the end of the situation, and, now, with Chris L's perfectly reasonable right to expect a modicum of respect for the English language when posting in that language on this site. I do not say that Brian's comment was not moving--it was, and I agree with it in spirit, though one is left to wonder if one has understood it in its entirety--but Chris L is correct in identifying that this lack of command of the tools with which we communicate can be directly tied to the problem of the woman who communicated so disrespectfully at Arlington Cemetery. There are standards for the forms we use to communicate, and keeping them up is not only polite, it also helps us to understand each other. Brian has no problem assuming he is in a position to judge this woman's gesture (though I have yet to read any serious explanation of what she was doing, beyond being silly and irreverent--and who can say she doesn't have her reasons for being so?). A better reaction to Chris L's comment might have been a bit of modesty. But then, I WAS an English major; as prone to make mistakes as anybody else, but more than willing to take a lesson.

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Chris L.

5:40 pm on Monday, November 26, 2012

Wow....in this most joyous of seasons, apparently there is common ground to be found.

It also helps that my soon to be wife was an English major as well. If I can't get away with it, neither can anyone else. :)

Colin P. Varga

8:43 pm on Monday, November 26, 2012

I don't think this is a 1st Amendment issue because the protection of the 1st Amendment is "abridgement" not "infringement". I suspect since there was a sign that requested "silence and respect" an officer could have infringed on the freedom of speech of these two women and taken steps to enforce a standard of decorum. Also, what Stone and Schuh did probably did not meet the "peaceable to assemble" part of the 1st Amendment so they could have been removed also.

The firing is probably justified as they represented their employer and this type of behavior would not have been tolerated in the work place without some kind of action and the fact that they did this at a National Cemetery and were proud of it probably warrants strong action. Of course they can apply for their old jobs, but it seems that there might be a risk of inappropriate behavior from these two. I hope they learned their lesson and are not unemployed for too long.

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