Jim Rizoli CCFIILE.COM Well folks I guess it finally happen! Where is the rage?
Imagine I have to be the first comment on this. This is what happens when you allow illegals to drive, they are "bullets in a gun". That quote is actually from an illegal immigrant supporter. People usually say illegals driving without a license is no big deal, I say it is. So is one death going to be enough to get the ball rolling here, or do we wait until a child is killed, or the whole family is killed. Illegals kill approx 25,000 people each year driving and they murder another 25,000, so I guess those statistics aren't high enough for you. This doesn't include the driving infractions and attacks that aren't even reported which is probably double the figure.
If I was the family of this poor fella I would sue the police, the insurance company, the person owning the car, the state, everyone who could of been there to do something to stop this from even happening. This is an outrage and can't believe you patches are quiet about it. I'll give you some time to collect your thoughts.
Unless of course you don't give a damm......

Joe Rizoli CCFIILE.com
This problem with Illegals driving is nationwide. People need to know that just driving by these illegals can bring sorrow to any of us at any time. Jessica Vaughan mentioned in the Boston Globe piece that "Opponents of Secure Communities have tried to create the impression that traffic offenders are harmless......This case illustrates that, in fact they can be a serious threat to public safety".

People need to know that the illegals driving here is a conspiracy of registry, insurance agencies, police, and pro Illegal alien activist. Something needs to be done to find out WHO is registering these automobiles, WHO Insures them and expose this cabal of criminals. Don't be surprised in your communities who is behind this.

One last point and this lays the blame to specific people. Jewish organizations and others including the Catholic Church and Protestant Churches are BACKERS of these Illegals. They need to repent, if I can use that word. Blame Emma Lazarus when she had the Statute of Liberty's words express her words..."

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Thanks Emma, you gave us one or "your wretched refuse" and he killed an American man so young in life with a full future ahead of him.

Joe Rizoli
CCFIILE.com
CCFIILE.org see videos exposing Illegal immigration.

So it would be less tragic and less appalling if the guy had been an American citizen driving drunk instead? I don't understand what his immigration status has to do with anything.

If he had observed the laws relating to immigration, no crime would have been committed and there would be no dead victim.

Tragic loss of life due to a foreigner illegally entering the country and having no regard of our other existing laws.

Almost as bad is that someone would be an apologist for this illegal immigrant who has nothing but contempt of laws.

Just a reminder the policy at Framingham Patch is to use your first and last name - no alias and no fake names. Thanks!

a horrific tragedy. clearly this scum will be jailed for many years and deported. we have many us born criminals, drunk drivers, and irresponsible parents as well. not issuing drivers licenses or insurance will not prevent people like this from entering the country or driving. I'd be more interested to know what happens to the company that employed this person. you stop the employment of illegal aliens and 90% of them go home tomorrow.

Joe Rizoli CCFIILE.com
Amazing we have so many PATCHERS yet so few comments even though an AMERICAN was dragged to his death by an Illegal Alien who had OTHER previous confrontations with the police, firemen and the public. YET, the guy still was in this country doing jobs for a lot of the liberal PATCHERS here who are to cheap to hire LEGAL people.

Lets recap this tragedy:
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/archive/x911396896/Family-of-motorcyclist-who-died-are-broken-hearted

>>Guaman has been charged with negligent vehicular homicide while driving under the influence of liquor, leaving the scene of an accident involving personal injury and death, possession of an open container of alcohol in a vehicle, failure to stop for police, unlicensed driving, failure to yield at a stop sign, resisting arrest and wanton or reckless conduct creating risk to a child, according to court documents.>>

How does the Illegal Alien criminal being here in this country wife look at this and WHO are HER concerns for? Sadness to the victim? Nooooooooo

>>She said she hoped her husband will be deported to Ecuador so he doesn't have to suffer here.>>

Nothing said for the victim who was dragged to his death probably screaming through his helmet who suffered. Come on PATCHERS where is YOUR compassion? The silence is deafening.
SHAME on you......

Joe Rizoli

Jim Rizoli CCFIILE.COM Blog spots like this are just the reflection of the people living in the town. Who cares about the Americans being harmed lets do whatever we can to protect the illegals. This is what the town...State...country has become and we wonder why things are getting worse not better.
I'm not too worried though.....it all is going to bite those on the arse who sit back and do nothing too. Your not immune to political corruption. It comes out of you in either physical pain and suffering as this American family has, or it comes out of you financially when you end up paying for the sins of these illegals.
You not going to win, it's actually a big lose.

Joe Rizoli CCFIILE.com
Just got the latest "The Social Contract", magazine. I bought it, you can read it online.

"2011 Social Contract Journal: - "Crime and Immigration: drug smugglers, terrorists, and violent migrants flood across our porous borders and endanger our communities".

http://thesocialcontract.com/

What do you know, a chapter called:
<<Drunk-Driving Diversity - Immigration brings real danger and risk to our nation’s roads>>

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_21_4/tsc_21_4_walker_3.shtml

Good article, get educated people. Illegal Immigration is a slow death cancer. Take your country back.

Joe Rizoli
CCFIILE.com
508-875-0835

The Governor with his Democrat cronies don't seem to care about Americans
who have been harmed by illegals.
http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/07/family_of_man_killed_in_crash.html
You Democrats should feel proud on this one....
Jim@ccfiile.com

Remember that this in not a partisan issue. Representative John Fernandes is the main sponsor of the legislation (which is supported by the family of Matthew Denice) to revise and strengthen precisely these concerns (about motor vehicle registration) and others as well. Representative Fernandes is a Democrat, as is the bill's sponsor in the State Senate, Richard Moore. So yes, those Democrats who support tightening the regulations which will protect people from unregistered and unlicensed drivers SHOULD indeed be proud.

David....They didn't get involved until someone got killed....a little late to the party wouldn't say.
Before the killings, Fernandes was a supporter of "immigrants" code word for illegals.
This is just another politician jumping on the bandwagon when it worked for him.
Remember he ran against Marie Parente, she was the Patriot that lost to Mr. Diversity. At least he did something a little late, but I question his motives and timing.
Jim@ccfiile.com

"This is what happens when you allow illegals to drive, they are "bullets in a gun"." Actually, it is more dangerous NOT allowing undocumented people to drive. They used to be able to (still can in NM and Washington State). I see no logical reason why that changed. Someone who has been here for 10 years now can't drive. He. Still will drive, because they have to. It will just not be unregulated. Makes no sense. What does ability to operate a motor vehicle have to do with status? Foreign visitors rent cars with their foreign licenses. At least thats still ok.

There were 32,885 fatalities in the US from car accidents in 2010. About 10,000 from drunk driving. (http://www.nhtsa.gov) Jim is telling us that 70% were caused by undocumented persons. Hmmmm. Yeh... Gotta love Rizoli statistics.

Either way I can see absolutely no relation between someone's immigration status and the dangers of drunk driving.

More than half of the comments above (and I'm sure below) are by Jim and Joe. Jim, Joe, you have stated your opinion. We heard it. You ask why no one else comments. Part of the reason is because you two like to take over the commentary and not let anyone else have a discussion (again, most of the comments are from the two of you, repeating the same opinion). See how everyone else just comments once and lets that opinion stand as sufficient, give that tactic a try. If you just state your opinion and move on with your day, maybe more people would get involved.

Kira.....I can't drive in their country without a license why should they be able to drive here.
Second...they don't know how to drive. So what do you want us to do, allow them to drive and endanger us.
I would think most here would be against illegals driving, it's just common sense.
By the way 12 people a day are killed by illegal aliens. Pretty serious if you ask me.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Hmmm. In February, according to The Patch, Jim Rizoli said that "25 Americans citizens are killed by illegal aliens every day." (http://framingham.patch.com/articles/bill-targets-illegal-immigrants)
Now in July he says that "12 people a day are killed by illegal aliens." That is a 50% drop in less than five months. It sounds like things are getting dramatically better without any new legislation. Should we thank President Obama for these uplifting statistics?
Or should we question seriously the accuracy of these numbers, and their source?

David it's all said right in this link.
http://www.wnd.com/2006/11/39031/
<<While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That’s 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.>>

We only give you facts supported by what is acknowledged by other sources. If you had some interigity to do a simple search yourself you wouldn't be showing the Patches how Internet ignorant you are. I found the article in two seconds.

You are so gung-ho to disprove us all the time it's getting to the point where you can't see the forest because of the trees sometimes .

Joe Rizoli

Dave, thanks for your calming input again. What gets me is that I myself am not in favor of illegal activity of any kind. But that isn't good enough for the Rizolis. You have to accept their version of history and current events, and that version is so absurd, so stained with viciousness and prejudice and misinformation--in short, it is corrupt. But like I said, thanks again.

Right again, Dave!

The issue is......Illegals shouldn't be driving, they are dangerous.
No one in their right mind would support giving licenses to illegal aliens.
So you're going to reward illegal activity with giving them a license to drive?
Time to stop this nonsense.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Yes, stop the nonsense, and that includes your false and vicious posts,

Another link that backs up our figures is here:
http://www.wnd.com/2006/09/38134/

These people murdered are real people, they are not imagined. Shame on you people who defend these criminals that keep on driving, they shouldn't even be here in the first place.

These articles are the information that back up our facts.
Think about it, just one town , Milford, MA has THREE deaths. That is ONE town. I stand by my viewpoint.

David wake up and smell the Juan Valdez coffee.

We are dealing with people from every walk of life killed either by motor vehicle accidents or murder.

The killings and murders will continue unless more enforcement is done to stop these criminals.

Oh and David the quote by that Represenative didn't back up what Jim said? Ok David, go get your eyes checked.

http://www.wnd.com/2006/11/39031/
<<While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That’s 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.>>

Joe Rizoli

I think the issue here is: GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. And that is exactly what a couple of Patchers on here have tried to convey, aka Dave and David.

Our facts are right on...... your eyes are a little off.
We stand by our facts, the facts speak for themselves.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Conwebwatch has a different story to tell about that article and Rep King. They call that congressman's numbers "unreliable" and "highly suspect". From the Conwebwatch site:

"Even conservative blogs such as Captain's Quarters ridiculed King's and WND's numbers: "[T]he numbers demonstrate rather clearly that King and WND are talking out of their hats. Of all the people arrested for murders in 2005 (10,083), only 4,955 were white/Hispanic, and that includes all arrests in that racial category. In order to believe King and WND, every single one of these people would have to be illegal aliens." The blog added:

Asinine hardly begins to describe this report. Conservative decry junk science; bad statistics are just as bad. It took me all of 10 minutes to check this data, something that Rep. King apparently couldn’t bother to have his staff do, and a standard fact check that [World Net Daily] declined to perform. It seems that some people will believe almost anything as long as it can be used to demonize illegal aliens."

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2007/kingillegal.html

Joe, you said, "These people murdered are real people, they are not imagined. Shame on you people who defend these criminals that keep on driving, they shouldn't even be here in the first place."

People on here are NOT defending criminals....get YOUR eyes checked. They are just against possible incorrect information on here.....a problem which you and your brother excel at.

I guess three deaths in Milford aren't an issue.
Jim@ccfiile.com

i guess getting your facts straight isn't an issue either.

"While no one -- in or out of government -- tracks all US accidents caused by illegal aliens..." That's from your link, Joe. Do you two have any sense at all of the way in which civilized people present and consider evidence? You don't start with what your prejudices tell you. You don't go looking for someone to back up your own stupid prejudices. You start with questions, and you consider the various evidence. And you never lose sight of the fact--a fact which The Rizoli has never understood or accepted--that people are individuals, not easily stereotyped groups. This is also, by the way, the manner in which people are judged under the LAW in this country, something which you two also claim to know and uphold, but with which your posts suggest you are completely unfamiliar. "These people." "They don't know how to drive." Go back to school, Joe and Jim. Three deaths in Milford are terrible--not a party, not a bandwagon--but you have done nothing to help the situation. You have presented false information as fact. You made a video in which you stood on the street in Milford and said--and I quote--"we all know what they look like". You are as far from American in your "thinking" as it is possible to be. Take a rest. Go back to school. Open your minds.

And to reiterate, contrary to what the Rizolis would tell you, Representative John Fernandes and State Senator Richard Moore, both Democrats, have sponsored a bill, with supporters from both major parties (thus making it a bi-partisan issue, and effort) and including members of the Denice family, to better regulate who is able to get behind the wheel of a motor vehicle. And please remember that this is not a partisan issue. Representative John Fernandes is the main sponsor of the legislation (which is supported by the family of Matthew Denice) to revise and strengthen precisely these concerns (about motor vehicle registration) and others as well. Representative Fernandes is a Democrat, as is the bill's sponsor in the State Senate, Richard Moore. So yes, those Democrats who support tightening the regulations which will protect people from unregistered and unlicensed drivers SHOULD indeed be proud.

So what are the facts that we are missing Dan?
You people complain and say nothing.
What are you disputing?

Apparently illegals. comitt no crimes, cost taxpayers nothing and go to sleep with halos so bright that their heads they need to be covered. So please Dan, you comment is pure nonsense. We could have Jesus Christ standing next to us siding with us and it would'nt convince you people. You argue just to argue because who we are and not the facts. A broken clock is right twice a day. That is why I even agree with some here I have problems with on a personal note.

So finally, the 25 Americans a day killed by illegals isn't supported? Ya right. That figure is probably the minimum , I would bet it is even higher but Jesus Christ is busy at the moment to jump on the Rizoli's side.

Oh Dan, three deaths didn't happen in Milford?

Joe Rizoli

Another 25 a day link and the reasons why, short and sweet.

http://www.firecoalition.com/docs/CRIMINALALIENSTATISTICS.pdf

Sorry that Jesus Christ didn't write this but it here for all those to check out and ignore.

Joe Rizoli

Oh dear, here we have it again, in a nutshell (where it belongs): illegal immigrants are either all the same, and evil, and guilty of everything under the sun, or they are all the same, and perfect, and have haloes. Why on earth can't you accept that illegal immigrants are individuals, and human? And they are not all guilty of murder. And again, you must stop blaspheming by dragging your personal Jesus in to back you up whenever you find yourselves on shaky ground. Or show us where Jesus appointed you his spokespersons. And BEWARE, many here have read the Bible, and know full well--as well and better than you--that Jesus is not to be played with like a puppet! That is offensive, when you do that, and you do it all the time. You treat Jesus about as badly as you treat most other Jews...

David your last sentence was pure nonsense.
And a personal attack David. You keep bringing up those people I wll not name but you can when they have nothing to do with the topic.
Shame on you David. You just try to start trouble.
If you reall want to know what Jesus said about those people you always quote about you can personally email me David,
My email in on the Saving the Clayes house article.

Joe Rizoli

The Clayes house in more interesting.....
Any comments on that one.
Jim@ccfiile.com

I just love old houses, and I think that one is quite interesting. Still, SHAME ON YOU!

David let's save the Clayes house. We can all work together on that in a bi-partisan objective. Let's see was that house built 1992 or was it 1693? Was it even built at all? Were the Clayes illegal aliens? Did they drive without licenses? Got to get my facts straight here, hehehe

Joe Rizoli

Shame

Kira ask:
>>Why should they not be able to get a drivers license? Does being undocumented somehow impair one's ability to learn to drive? >>

Yes, yes, yes, 

They can't speak English or even read English, that's why  most of them want to take ESL.

Also getting a License gets them CREDIT. Not a good thing for people that , lie, lie, lie.
Just ask the utilitie companies for all the unpaid  cable, gas, telephone, and electric bills.
Most of you people have no clue on that problem.

Why would an illegal want a License anyway? They have false licenses, proving they are breaking the law and want to be clients of Kira so she can get them out of jail hehehe.

If an illegal wants to visit a buddy in jail he has a predicament. The form ask for your REAL name.
Oops, what dies an illegal do?
Lie, lie, lie...

You tell me what illegal would want to be registered for a license? They like it where they are now. No fees, insurance, liability, if they kill someone they get to go free and get deported.
What a life!

Joe Rizoli

I've been trying to get you folks over to the Clayes subject but I guess no takers.
Very interesting story.
jim@ccfiile.com

Dave: One could ask why you are debating the two brothers, you obviously don't agree with ... on an article that is almost a year old.
Perhaps you need to walk away from the computer.
Some of us know better than to engage them!
We love the site and just ignore their comments!

What is the debate here Angelina? A man was savagely tortured and killed to his death and your two cents deals with nonsense.

What is your opinion on the topic? That is the concern here. But as always those mentally challenged with the topic on hand go off somewhere else talking about the tea in China and even more bizarre, are concerned with the person who drove the boat who delivers that tea,
How does that tea taste is my first concern, right Angelina?

Joe Rizoli

Thanks, Angelina. I didn't even notice the article was that old. You are right that there is no need to beat a dead horse here. The Rizoli's must have the last word though, stepping away from the computer and enjoying a day of sunshine does not ever seem like an option.

I was the one responsible for this article coming back as I was just updating some info.
Kinda took a mind of it's own after that.
http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/07/family_of_man_killed_in_crash.html
Jim@ccfiile.com

Kira, why would you be concerned for a man savagely killed? You'd be defending the illegals right to drive.

Joe Rizoli

Joe, I'm just not concerned with arguing with you when you make such ridiculous statements, thats all. If you ever say anything reasonable, I'd be happy to discuss. Until then, it looks like I am not alone in not engaging you...

Amazingly rational :) I'll post a blog about this soon and then we can all discuss the topic. Looking forward to it.

hahaha get out much? apparently not. you guys have been back and forth all weekend, wow, how depressing. did you notice what a beautiful weekend it was? ha haha take a breath or something. this argument over who has the fact right is pathetic

Yikes! A lot of people are driving without licenses.
But that is not my point here if they are Americans......Just poor management bad laws etc....
The illegals on the other hand have no business being here and they definitely have no business driving here as they are not American Citizens. But we can work with them on this one.
Now let me surprise you with this comment.....WE shouldn't have to have a license to drive anywhere anyway! It's IMO unconstitutional!
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/travel.htm
Maybe the illegals got it right and we don't......
Drivers Licenses are just another way the State taxes us.
Now in regards to knowing how to drive.....that is another story, and that is where the waters become a little murky here.
Jim@ccfiile.com

So, now only American Citizens have business to drive? Thats a new thought...

Rep King to sue Obama

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/rep-steve-king-immigration-lawsuit-against-obama-i-m-not-bluffing-0

“The Constitution does not grant the Executive that power [over immigration law], that power is specifically set aside under Article I of the Constitution, which creates and grants the authority to the United States Congress, the Legislative branch,” King said.

Article 1, Section 8, Clauses 4 and 18 of the U.S. Constitution say: “The Congress shall have the power … To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization … [and] … To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers.”

Of course Obama is gong to say, what is a Constitution?

Joe Rizoli

Wait a minute, isn't this the same Rep Steven King from Iowa quoted in my original post that some here think on this list that doesn't know what he is talking about, or have his facts straight ?
Hmmmmm I wonder if he has his Constitution straight?

Joe Rizoli

I agree with Angelina and Julie on this one --
I myself had a wonderful weekend, while apparently Dave & David and Jim & Joe were debating an article almost a year old ...
perhaps you would all like to discuss the latest article I just posted ...
yet another shooting in the Beaver Street area - 2nd person shot since April and in between now and April there have been a couple of other reports of gunshots in that neighborhood.

Well I suppose I should be flattered to have people--anybody at all--speculate as to whether or not I am wasting my beautiful weekend by posting comments on this here "Patch". Yep, I posted some comments here when, many months after the article first appeared, a Rizoli "reactivated" it with a typically false and tendentious (and stereotyping and offensive) comment. But I also had a great weekend! I gardened, and visited old graveyards and went grocery shopping and read my books and, finally, took pictures of the amazing sunset this evening! So thank you for your concerns, but I am okay, and do not mind spending a few minutes now and then defending myself and others from the ongoing assaults of the ignorant and dishonest and just plain annoying. Back to Anna Karenina...

David just wondering who you are taking about? Hehehe
Anyway, back to my book on "how to win friends and influence people"

Joe Rizoli

Just to add to David's weekend I had my toenails painted pink, had a tummy tuck and a quick Botox treatment,
Visited a graveyard to make sure I wasn't in it, rolled in the garden, went shoplifting, took a few pictures of my cell, came home and watched Oprah.

I didn't just read a book but became a story of what books are written about.

Joe Rizoli

You can neither add nor detract from my weekend, Joe. But it was definitely time for that tuck!

And "just to add to Joe's weekend"--whatever that means--I had a Brazilian wax--but NOT by a Brazilian--and I continued my lifelong task of re-writing the Bible with special focus on The Gospels, and I rolled on the cement and tried to take pictures with my belt buckle and made a map of Mamby-Pamby Land and finally, as the sun was setting, I sat on my brother's lap and counted people who might be Chinese.

Dave: This will be my last comment on this ... as you seem to want to engage Jim & Joe, I will let you, without stepping in when you complain.
It seems to be what you want to do.

I have learned not to deal with those who have their mind set like - it's like arguing with a toddler - there is no way to win.

As I have said on this site it is not my job to monitor comments 24 hours a day, 365 days year, if I did that there would never be an articles posted.