Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said..I find it interesting that people who have had no say in the towns going on's in the past now want to run the show.
Try being in the trenches for a few years fighting for what is right then sell yourself. What is your past track record show?

I call people like Mr. Silverman a political wannabe....
Nice political platform.....Bla, Bla, Bla....
Please answer these questions....
So what are you going to do about the illegal alien problem we have in the town that is responsible for document fraud, drug dealing, mortgage fraud, and the list goes on. The town is just one big bowl of corruption growing in scope every year.
For some strange reason you don't want to see that major point.

How about a wayward police force that doesn't have to answer to anyone as they play Robo cop with the towns innocent inhabitants.

You Mr. Silverman are great politician as are all, you tell everyone what they want to hear, but your dealings with the most critical issues you avoid like the plague.
Time to take the town back one selectman at a time, and you my friend, are no better than what we have there now.
Stick to your day job.

I look it this way....if I do get in it will be a real fight to try to change things for the better, if I don't get in then you might as well kiss the town goodbye.....
It will take a small miracle to change things in this town that's why I keep tying.

Want to see where I stand on issues go to my website
Jim Rizoli

CCFIILE.com

http://www.statemaster.com/state/MA-massachusetts/peo-people

There 87,000 illegal's in Massachusetts, 29.1% or 25,317 are of Asia desent leaving 61,683, 27.3% are from Europe, another 23,751, leaving 37,932. The total Asian and European illegal immigrants in Massachusetts equal 49,068, or 56.4%. The remainder 43.6% include all other nationalities all over the world. Mr. Rizoli focuses on the Brizillian and Hispanic populations and insists he is not a racist.

Your website claims Framingham has 10,000 to 30,000 illegal immigrants. This equates to 11.5% to 34.5% of the total illegal population in the entire state. A bit ridiculous statistic coming from a town boasting just over 1% of the states total population. This is based on Framingham's population of 64,789 and Massachusetts' being 6,349,097. If your numbers were correct 15% to 46% of our population were illigal. If this is true we would never be able to supply the workforce they supply when your plan to ship them all back to their homeland is complete. In addition, if 46% of the population suddenly leaves the town how do you plan on filling all of the empty apartments and/or sell all the foreclosed property because the landlords can no longer afford to pay the bank for their empty apartments.

Hyperbole and fear is no way to run a campaign.

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said
Donna good for you, your paying attention!
Now for the facts.... Your figures are all wrong, sorry to say.
When the illegals were here full force there were around 350,000 in Massachusetts, but most sources won't report that figure so they lowball it.

Framingham had as many as 30,000, but today it's more like 5-10,000.
Many have left because of the economy and the fall of the dollar.
I can show you quotes from others who have admitted my figures as being right on.
Past State Rep Pam Richardson even admitted how many were in Framingham a few years ago. I have the video to show you if your interested. Her figures were in line with mine.
Framingham has around 1200-1500 kids in the school system that are "English Impaired" figure it out yourself, most of their parents are illegal aliens, the school has no interest in asking how many are here, but it is costing the town 25 million to educate the kids.

I give you credit for trying but again your sources are way off.
In regards to the apartments.....I think we would rather have legal people here than illegal.
The problems that the illegals are causing, is costing us a lot of money.
I guess the illegals using document fraud is no problem for you or them driving without licenses or insurance is no problem either.
It will be the day one of them crashes into you and kills one of your family.

I will be glad to debate the issue but most people won't do it because I know what I'm talking about.

Joe Rizoli States:
Donald, lets stop the nonsense with the "racist" accusations. If that was the case then Eisenhower when he had "Operation Wetback" way back in time would be a racist to because he sent one million Mexicans back to Mexico.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

The Nationality is unimportant because as you know Framingham has MANY nationalities now residing here. The problem with the Brazilians is they have the longest stay here and their stay in Framingham has been PLANNED right down to bulletin boards on the walls of buildings in Brazil advertising Framingham as a place to come. Did you know that?

As to our figures my brother has made that more clearer. He didn't mention that at one time we had over 50 + Brazilian churches in Framingham. Off the tax rolls and bringing more illegals in with the blessing of all the bleeding heart liberals who want these criminals here.

CCFIILE has done our homework and I would suggest you and others do yours. As to HOW many Brazilians are illegal let them speak:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1bRvqrJQrs

Joe Rizoli
CCFIILE.com
CCFIILE.org
CCFIILE@gtmail.com

Joe, you are filled with so much passion and energy I just wish you could find a way to focus it so it could be of value to your cause. I am the opposite of a bleeding heart liberal, in fact, in an albeit milder sense, I agree with many of your positions. I agree that the church population downtown is out of control and I question their legitamcy. We can both agree that Framingham would greatly benefit from these spaces being used as a tax paying business, so how do you fix this? First thing that comes to mind is having certain criteria to qualify for tax exempt status, but ALL churches must fit this criteria. You can't just say Brazilian churches and not expect to not hear the" nonsense racist accusations." That being said, this will be a difficult task as Bill of Rights issues will instantly be raised and will stop you before you get started. What is your plan?

Also, Joe, not sure you are making a good case for yourself comparing yourself towards an action that took place in 1954. There have been a couple of changes in race relations in the last 57 years. I doubt you will find any politition, even in Arizona, that are going to sign a bill named "Operation Wetback". I don't quite understand your arguement that "The problem with the Brazilians is they have the longest stay here and their stay in Framingham has been PLANNED right down to bulletin boards on the walls of buildings in Brazil". cont. next page.

What's wrong with on coming to a certain area where people like them live? I believe this is nothing new when it comes to migrations; see the Irish, Italians, Polish, Germans, etc. Then isn't the normal arguement that they don't want to stay? The worst part of in and out migrations is there is no sense of community, "I am not staying here what do I care what happens to the neighborhood."

About the apartments, I was questioning your numbers and I still do. If 25,000 immigrants left Framingham in the last couple of years there would be boarded apartments all over town. I mean above and beyond the amount boarded up due to the recession. Another point using your numbers, if there are currently 1500 children from illegal immigrants and the number of illegals of decreased by 6 simple math says 7500 kids have just left the school system. Makes me wonder how the school system is having so much money issues with that many less students. Even the 25,000 that has supposed to have left Framingham only had 1500 children leave the the system we would be in much better position than we are. One last thing, who benefits from low balling the numbers of the amount of illegals? Is the entire system sweeping this problem under the rug screaming, "THERE IS NO PROBLEM HERE IN BEAUTIFUL MASSACHUSETTS!" Please explain.

Joe, it is nice having these debates. I hope we can continue and I hope others join in, but not too many to muddy the waters. Back to my original comment ... Stay Focused.

Joe Rizoli States:
Donald, we can fix everything if the town took the lead and implemented what is called
The Social Contract.
"An agreement among the members of an organized society or between the governed and the government defining and limiting the rights and duties of each"
Meaning having the town of Framingham rescind its WELCOMING PROCLAMATION.
http://www.abetterframingham.org/proclamation.html

This was deliberately written against our CCFIILE group. This Proclamation has to go and a new one made. This time welcoming LEGAL businesses and people to the town of Framingham.
That will set a standard for the town to live by and be OUR SOCIAL CONTRACT.
Now as to our Illegal population figures. Please remember the Illegals SHARE apartments. So that answerers the housing crisis as to figures. It is winter here so a lot of the Brazilians have gone back to Brazil or other parts of the country. Look at some yards with cars covered with snow. Good probability these people went back to their native lands. We always have a few cars in my neighborhood that could fit this bill. As to the kids in school look on patch about the bilingual programs and the figures the lady gives. This is current NOW. It matches our figures. Times it at
$ 8-10,000 per student
http://framingham.patch.com/articles/bilingual-program-expansion-planned-but-at-no-additional-cost
Like I said we need to get back to basics establish a new SOCIAL CONTRACT for Framingham and its Citizens.
Joe Rizoli
CCFIILE.com

Joe Rizoli Sates pt 2
Who benefits from low balling the Illegal immigrants figures?

It depends. If the Brazilians win the World Cup there are going to be bragging rights and the figures will be high, very high. If a Brazilian murders another Brazilian, or is involved in a scam, the figures are going to be lower.

How many are Illegal?
Here a Brazilian admits in front of Police, DOJ representative, Framingham Police, State Reps, town officials and PROBABLY 400 people, that 90% of the Brazilians are ILLEGAL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1bRvqrJQrs

Here 79%

http://www.gaston.umb.edu/articles/Lima_&_Siquiera_demo_braz_2008.pdf

Here 70%:

http://www.brazzil.com/cvrmar96.htm

90% "just passing through"

http://www.vernonjohns.org/plcooney/brimmig.html

MOST are ILLEGAL here below in the Harvard study

http://www.drclas.harvard.edu/files/GivingVoiceFINAL.pdf pp8

As Brazil's economic conditions worsened, the American consulate found that many more Brazilians wanted to immigrate to the United States than quotas legally allowed. Consequently, since the mid-1980s, a significant percentage of all Brazilian immigration to the United States has been illegal.

http://www.everyculture.com/multi/A-Br/Brazilian-Americans.html

Of course these figures are for the Brazilians. We all know other groups exist in Framingham, Colombians, Ecuadorians, just to name a few.
Joe Rizoli
CCFIILE.com

Your defenses of your numbers continue to contradict themselves. How many Brazilians live in an apartment? For the sake of our arguement let's say an average of 10 people per apartment (which is insanely high). Then going by your numbers of 25,000 Brazilians leaving when our economy started sinking we have 2500 vacant apartments from the exodus. http://www.apartmentguide.com/apartments/Massachusetts/Framingham/ lists 508 apartments in Framingham. Paging through these I found many of them are small apartment complexes that would not fit or allow 10 people to live in them.

Cars with snow on them??? Isn't more likely the cars are broken down, the owner has a winter junker, they vacation in Florida, or the owner doesn't like to drive in the snow? But let's assume you are right and the 25,000 less Brazilians all left there cars here for the winter. Then let's low ball the number and say every 4 owned 1 car. Where are the 6250 cars abandoned around town?

Lastly, how is the need for bilingual education increasing when we are in a transition period trying to recover from 25,000 Brazilians leaving the area? The answer is this town of about 65,000 NEVER contained 30,000 Brazilian immigrants and if Pam Richarson said that she was wrong too. The numbers just don't work.

"For the most part the Italian immigrant was ignorant of the laws and customs of America, and without much opportunity for learning about them except from what he observed. His contact with Americans was with those who probably exploited his labor for as little pay as possible; or with his landlord who took as much as he could get in rent money."

http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1999/3/99.03.06.x.html

Is this how we should do it?

Jim Rizoli said..Donald different times different circumstances.
It's a shame you just can't except that the illegals here are causing us a lot of problems.
If we had people who just took them on and enforced the Rule of Law then we would be in good shape.

We have the lonnie, lefty, liberals that have this feel good mentality about everyone while in the background these people would steal them blind if they could.

Check out this guy who found a good way to do it. I guess this is an exceptable way to make a living for those like yourself that defend them.

http://www.wfsb.com/news/27009127/detail.html
Illegal Alien Pleads Guilty To Food Stamp Fraud

An illegal immigrant from the Dominican Republic has pleaded guilty to allegations that he used straw owners to operate several grocery stores in Hartford that he used to defraud the federal food stamp program of about $1.6 million. Federal prosecutors say Apolinare Collado, who also used numerous aliases, allowed customers to exchange food stamps for cash and other products not eligible for purchase with the benefit between 2003 and 2009. The 43-year-old pleaded guilty Friday to one count of food stamp fraud. He faces up to 20 years in prison at sentencing scheduled for June 6. In 1998, Collado was previously sentenced to 18 months in prison and was later deported after he was convicted of food stamp fraud, tax fraud and immigration offenses. He had been detained since January 2009 for immigration violations.

By questioning your facts I am not defending illegal immigrants. I agree it is a problem, but you blur your message when you throw out crazy numbers. Like I was saying there is NO way this town sustained 30,000 illegal immigrants. There would be tent cities set up in Cushing Park if that was the case and I am sure I would have noticed that. So, when you hyperbolize one point all your points made afterwards will be perceived as hyperbole. As a result, your message is not heard.

Joe Rizoli States:
Donald the 30,000 figure is high but that figure didn't come from us it came from the good times when the Brazilians had their bragging rights. I think Pam Richardson mentioned it in her talk, I think she said 25% in the town were Illegals. She mentioned that when she talked to the Democrats when she asked for licenses, voting rights and instate tuition for the Illegals. Then after those comments the voters threw her out heheheheh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxtm50FZfpo

Want some good comments about the Brazilians? Go here and notice Paul Santos comments, I really liked the one about the Brazilians leaving great debt behind, just think, he's a Brazilian admitting this:

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x1053805938/MetroWest-seeing-fewer-immigrants#axzz1F3hWLGIX

Donald we don't throw out crazy numbers we just use what has been either said by the Brazilins themselves or the newspapers.

At first our information was laughed at but then after a few years the Boston Globe and the MWDN saw we were right, and EVERYTHING we said came true.
Joe Rizoli
CCFIILE.com
CCFIILE@gmail.com

Let's not get caught up in the Rizoli brothers' one topic of interest. If anyone cares to hear more about it they can refer to the url's they listed.

This article is about Eric Silverman's vision for a vibrant school system in Framingham. I think he's right on target. Schools are the most important public function in any community. The kids in the schools today are tomorrow's parents and leaders; they are Framingham's future. Mr. Silverman wants to make the schools the priority. They should be.

The schools have been hit hard over the last several years. We need to stabalize them and begin to rebuild them to what they were ten years ago. Good school will schools will attract more good middle class families and reverse the downward trend in property values.

I support Eric Silverman's candidacy for Selectman. His positive attitude and good ideas are just what we need right now.

Joe Rizoli said:
John you are absolutely right, while you're at it I think the school buses should come with condoms passed out to each and every student who rides the bus.

Lastly John, join the real world of Framingham Politics. Teachers are going to be laid off if the town doesn't fix its money problems, so there goes the positive school dreams. Go build your library that sometime in the future will entail debt to your children and grandchildren.

Don't fix the illegal alien problem in the town and your $25 million dollar debt for that fiasco will keep going up. Keep dreaming John. The Rizoli's are realist, they have lived in this town for 58 years and have seen the downward spiral you might call diversity. We want to get our town back, we have real solutions, but people like to dream, the Framingham nightmare.

Joe Rizoli

Jim Rizoli said from CCFIILE.COM said..John You can vote for whoever you want but don't think the problems that Mr. Silverman is avoiding to deal with are going to go away.
You folks are in denial mode and that's fine...Bottom line it's going to cost you more in the long run.
Mr.Silverman hasn't dealt with the.... who's going to pay for it all question.
I guess money grows on trees in his story book land and maybe yours too!

He's a typical wannabee politician who preys upon the ignorant people of the town to get votes.
Bottom line the town is in free fall, and you folks are more concerned with arranging the chairs on the Titanic as it goes down. If that makes you feel better than good luck to you.
Make sure you all have you life jackets on. Hopefully you all can swim.

You are a candidate for Selectman I believe. Correct? Do you support level service funding for the schools? As Selectman, would you vote to increase funding for the schools, keep it the same, or decrease it?

Jim Rizoli from CCFIIILE.COM said ...I'm not a big fan of the schools! I think the whole school system is corrupt, it actually dumbs down the kids, and is run by people who think money grows on trees.
The schools is one of our biggest expenses, and they sure know how to spend.
Imagine spending 25 million dollars a year to educate children of illegal aliens, and yet do NOTHING to see what can be done to lower this outrageous cost. It doesn't even come up for discussion! When was the last time something brought it up to you.

How can the schools biggest expense not be talked about in public?
What do you you have to hide? This my friend is part of the corruption (the looking away) of something NOT right.

Bottom line the town can't pay our bills and teachers Will be laid off, if they don't get their act together. the school dept has backed themselves into this corner and now they will have to suffer for it.

Schools need money to run and they aren't going to get blood out of a stone.
I'm sure my honest answer here will secure me a few votes from the Teachers union.....LOL
But that's the type of guy I am, I tell it like it is, those stealing us blind will hate me and the overburdened tax payer will love me.

The question is who will win out. If the blood sucking teachers union wins you might as well kiss the town good bye.
Look at California and you will see where Framingham is heading if we don't straighten things out soon.

Time to live within your means....

I don't want to misinterpret your answer. Would you vote to increase funding for the schools, keep it the same, or decrease it?

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said...John it's hard to believe you can't get out of my answer where I'm coming from...LOL
No increases! With a even better solution, decreasing.
What's interesting about it all the school dept seems to always get what they want.
They know how to play with the figures to make it look like their struggling but in reality they
are doing quite well, compared to the other sectors.
The teachers union runs the show at the taxpayers expense.
They run the elections too! If you have them on your side your golden.
So who do you think most of the teachers will be voting for...LOL
Another corrupt rigged election with special interest getting they way at the expense of the taxpayers.
I think we're doomed.... but I still keep trying to appeal to the open minded "no new taxes" type of people.

So you want to decrease funding for the schools, even while the expenses increase? Interesting strategy, but I don't want to see the results. I prefer Mr. Silverman's vision of quality schools!

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said...Harold you got that right about the money problems.
Silverman is a perfect example of those who only want to talk about all the nice things in life but refuses to say anything about real bottom line.
Can you blame him.. If he tells it like it is then he will loose the votes.
I find people live in a fairy land and vote for the people who tell the biggest tale.

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said....John You can vote for Santa Claus if you like, it's not going to solve the problems I'm addressing.
You said you like his Silverman's 'Vision of quality schools", your right...... it's a vision in a dream....
The voters in this town are all in a dream world when they vote....that's why we're in the condition we're in today.
Your nice Pollyanna town has turned into a scary movie.

Where did Harold original post go???

I deleted it as it contained a racist remark.
As I posted on the homepage, Framingham Patch believes in freedom of speech and I allow anyone to debate issues - and even promote their own agenda here on Patch - but racist remarks are not allowed.
Everyone needs to remain civil and respect everyone rights.
Remarks about someone's race, religion, etc is not part of a discussion on fixing issues in town and will be deleted again if posted. Stick to the issues, the problems, and hopefully solutions!

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said ........Susan, Interesting comment. I think your mis-applying the term "racist"
I can see how you could stretch Harold's comment to be Anti-Semetic, but I find that calling it racist is not the proper term. I do think people have the right to not agree with a persons religious beliefs and even criticize them within reason.
So Harold, IMO he was within his rights to say what he said.

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said....Here is part of what Harold Wolfe said before having the post deleted from Patch... I think it's important for people to see what he said here....

"Silverman never acknowledges our $400 million liability and doesn't care. Through his children, he gets far more out of the school system than he pays in. I pay in far more than I get out of it.... which is nothing. Silverman never acknowledges Plyler V Doe as the largest unfunded mandate in our schools. The illegals might pay $2,000 in property taxes thru rentals, but the average cost of educating one child for one year is $16,000 in Framingham.

And if that is all that was posted this afternoon,
there would have been NO need for me to delete the post.

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said....It's your site and you can do what you want...LOL
But I still stand by the fact that IMO his post wasn't racist.

Jim, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe your judgement on what are 'racist' comments has been questioned before. Let's accept Ms. Petroni's decision.

I don't understand the portion of Mr. Wolfe's comment that was re-posted. (The offensive part was not re-posted). By Mr Wolfe's logic, every resident that sends a child to school is getting more out of the system than they are paying in. Do you and Mr. Wolfe support use taxes for education? Or do you wish to put an end to public education? We are entering the realm of truly bizarre thinking.

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said...What Harold said I feel wasn't bad or no worse then someone criticizing the Catholic Church or, Muslims etc...
He was not referring to American parents getting more out of the system as much as the illegal alien parents getting more just because they pay a meager rent that doesn't come close to paying what it's worth to educate a child in the schools.

The Pyler vs Doe decision says we have to educate all children here but at the time it was writtten the problems wasn't even close to what it is now, so IMO the whole thing should be scrapped.

We have to educate everyone but there are those from other countries that come here specifically to take advantage of our education system and welfare system this is where the problems come in.
The same reasoning applies to the 14 amendment and misinterpretation to citizenship.
Another miscarriage of the law to benefit illegal aliens.
We are going bankrupt paying for it all...

The politicians seem to miss that point and won't even discuss it because YOU and I are the ones paying the bill.
The whole system is corrupt from the top down what can I say.

I think he's referring to Mr. Silverman. "Through his children, he gets far more out of the school system than he pays in."

It seems short sighted to not educate our next generation. Immigrants come here to work. They'll keep coming as long as there are jobs. And they'll have kids. In all likelihood, the kids will live in the US. How does it benefit us in the long run to have uneducated residents?

Mr Silverman proposes to make good schools the priority in Framingham. Mr Wolfe says that's selfish of him. I think it shows great foresight. We've got a great central location with access to more jobs than any other community around. We've got commuter rail trains, highways and buses. We've got parks and lakes. Single family housing in Framingham is relatively affordable. Good schools are the path to getting more solid middle class families to want to live in Framingham.

I agree Mr. Pearson! Well said!

Joe Rizoli, CCFIILE.com states
I don't agree with John Pearson. His comments are totally uninformed and show a total disregard for the reality and criminal aspects that Illegal immigrants themselves and their CHILDREN POSE FOR THE USA. The Social Contract web site through their fine publications show that Illegal aliens are PREDATORS.

They are predators of our LEGAL system and take advantage of the kindness of the USA to skirt those laws that OUR CONGRESS voted on through its Naturalization and Immigration Act. Go to the Framingham Library and look at the books. These laws were made to PROTECT AMERICA. Are those LAWS out of date? Are they foolish?

Stop thinking that the USA IS THE FIX IT UP NATION. We have the CONSTITUTIONAL right to secure our borders and chose WHO lives in our States. Mr Pearson is putting the Fox in charge of the hen house by his liberal save the world attitude.

As to Mr Silvermans belief system for Framingham. It is fiscally irresponsible to think our school system doesn't answer to our economy and our money problems that are unique to Framingham. He is the typical say what the people want to hear but not focus on the doctors plan to
"tell me why I'm sick" The Rizoli's tell you why the system is sick AND tell you how to fix it.

Getting hand slaps from people who agree with Mr Pearson shows a complete lack of what the problems are for Framingham. In others words "everything is fine". Wake up people. It is NOT.

Joe Rizoli
CCFIILE.com

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said...What we have here are people that have made themselves the deciders of what is right or wrong. If it makes you feel good than it's good enough for all.
Forget about the down the road scenarios, and who's paying for what.
I would love to be able to walk into a bank and withdraw everyone else's money, but that is against the law and rightly so.

Illegal aliens pretty much have said the heck with the laws we are going to do what we want. Sad to say...People like Mr. Silverman representing the liberals here seem to agree with him.
So what we have again are people deciding for themselves what laws to obey.
What will be the result of this give the house away mentality.....higher taxes, more crime, and a society that does what they want.

Framingham has become a refuge for drug dealers and takers, document fraud,identity theft, domestic abuse, and a long list of other criminal activities.
Good schools! That's a laugh....When your surrounding yourself with all this do you honestly think the schools will even matter
People move to a town to feel safe and secure, the is no security in Framingham any more because the foxes have taken over the hen house.
The police, the courts, and the town Govt. in general as a whole are all part of the criminality that goes on here.

It seems to me those wanting to run the show here in whatever capacity, whether incumbent, or political newbie, have pledged NOT to clean the mess up.

Jim Rizoli
CCFIILE.COM

Mr. Rizoli,
With all due respect you have made NO suggestions for cleaning up the financial mess that Framingham is in. You rant and rave about the illegal imigrants and "corrupt" public officials and public employees yet offer no thoughts on remedy for the issues you claim to see. This town is in serious financial trouble but it is not the fault of the teachers and their union.
EVERY town in this country provides public education for its children. Teachers are highly educated and required to have graduate degrees and continuing education throughout their tenure to teach in this state. Most teachers buy supplies for their classrooms and students because there is NO money in the budgets of the schools to buy pencils etc. Take a look at the salary schedules for any school system in this state, they are all a matter of public record and can be found on district websites. The cost of teachers is not the problem in Framingham.
I agree that there is a problem, an enormous problem with illegal immigration in this town, as a result our municipal budget is bled.....yet you offer no thoughts on a solution. Rather than blathering on and on about how everyone else is wrong or corrupt or a "wannabe" why not actually share some ideas. People in Framingham CARE and many of us feel our hands are tied.
I think it's time you closed your mouth and opened your ears.

I'd say we need to control costs of medical premiums for all town staff. Find lesser plans and have them contribute more. And I think we need to get real about costs for special needs kids (get them the help they need, but understand there is a limit to what we can spend). Other than that the school expenses have been held mostly in check. They've made a lot of cuts in the past few years. I'd like to see higher starting salaries for good young teachers, and lesser raises for older teachers, but that's just me. This Silverman fellow has got it right. The schools need to be the priority.

As far as the schools being impacted by immigrants, I think these Risoli brothers are way off base. Let's keep the numbers simple and say Framingham has 70,000 residents and 7,000 students. Let's say there are 10,00o immigrants and 1,000 immigrant kids in the schools. Well, if we run all 10,000 immigrants out of town, that doesn't mean we'll have 1,000 less kids in the schools. The apartments the immigrants live in won't sit vacant. They'll be filled with other blue collar workers. And they'll have kids too. The schools will still have 7,000 students. I don't think these Risoli guys are smart enough to understand this. Or else they're just too stubborn to listen, which is worse.

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said It's all going to come back to haunt you mark my words.
You folks don't get it you never will and Framingham is going to turn into another Springfield, Lowell you know the towns.
We've tried our best to warn you back in 2003 and you failed to listen.
Tighten your belts and hold on for the ride.
Put whoever you want in and deal with the consequences......Some people just never learn from the past. Read the newspaper and that will tell you the story.

My conscience is clean....I can sleep well.

Joe Rizoli CCFIILE.com States:
Uncle Ned, Illegal Immigrants and their children in the schools especially, cost the town $ 25 million to educate. If you got rid of this money guzzeler you'd get rid of that 25 mil wouldn't you?
Your comment here:
>>Well, if we run all 10,000 immigrants out of town, that doesn't mean we'll have 1,000 less kids in the schools. The apartments the immigrants live in won't sit vacant. They'll be filled with other blue collar workers. And they'll have kids too>>

Uncle Ned, You will have 1000 less kids alright that don't have to learn English that are that 25 million dollars to educate. You will have Kids that SPEAK English that don't need all those programs to teach them THEIR countries language AND English. Do you see that or am I talking to a wall here?
You said it Uncle Ned, these kids will be BLUE COLLAR KIDS. That means to me, AMERICAN CITIZENS. They won't need bilingual courses because Ned, you said they are blue collar workers AMERICAN, LEGAL kids.

The RIZOLI's no S Ned in the name, HAVE plenty of times told the town HOW to fix the town.
Go below for PATCH link, how to FIX the ESL problem:

http://framingham.patch.com/listings/framingham-adult-esl-plus?ncid=following_review

Also we do have SOLUTIONS to the problems but nobody listens.

Should be the 120 comment:

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/opinions/editorials/x600431817/Editorial-Patricks-message-on-immigration

Joe Rizoli
CCFIILE.com
CCFIILE@gmail

Here you go again Jim making up numbers. Where do you get the idea that Framingham spends $25 million educating illegal immigrants? Is this when we had 30,000 illegals living here? You are like Chicken Little, screaming the sky is falling. When it is all said and done all you are left is holding an acorn in front of us yelling, "SEE!!!"

Joe Rizoli states
Donald do the math. Let's say 1500 kids time 16,000 per kid. Ok 24 Million. Harold Wolfe has all the figures here:
http://abetterframingham.org/children-of-illegals.html

We back up what we say. How's my acorn doing?

Joe Rizoli
CCFIILE.com
CCFIILE.org

I think the point is that there wouldn't be 1o00 less kids, or 1500, less kids. They would just be different kids. The apartments vacated by immigrant families would be filled by new families.

I'm no expert, but its seems like there wouldn't be much cost difference in educating 1500 immigrant kids or 1500 native born kids. A class of 24 Portuguese speakers wouldn't cost much more than class of 24 English speakers. Savings would be negligible.

I support Eric Silverman. He seems like a bright guy and he wants to make good schools a priority.

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said...John I guess you don't get it! We wouldn't have to hire all the bilingual teachers...
1500 kids that don't have to be taught with a language teacher cuts out a lot of language teachers. Get it?
So the cost is shown on that end.. Sure the kids are still costing us but not on the teacher end of things.

John.... you can support Mickey Mouse and things will still be the same.
Your not going to get it until the whole things implodes, and it will.

I was correcting the earlier post which assumed that if the immigrant kids left, we could save $25 million. I've seen that before and it is simply not true.

Not sure the kids learning English get extra teachers. Even the standard programs rotate kids and teachers throughout the day. So as long as all the teachers have full classes all day long, what's the difference? Does a bilingual teacher cost more than an English only teacher?

I think you're barking up the wrong tree blaming the immigrants for the high cost of education. The school budget must be $85 - $90 million. You're chasing the difference between a bilingual teacher and an English only teacher.

2,400 citizens signed a petition for level service budgets for the schools. Candidates for Selectman should respect that. If they don't, then they don't deserve our votes.

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said....John Like I said, Your vote means nothing if the problem is still there.
Keep pulling the money off the money tree, and when all the leaves are gone, so will the people who thought things were good here. Stupid people vote in Stupid politicians....

Joe Rizoli States:
John, if the town enforced the immigration laws we would have NO illegal children in the school system. savings, MILLIONS. Apparently you think ONLY Framingham has Illegal Children and the cost is zero. Go check out what it cost for California, or Texas to deal with the Illegals and their Children.

Another point just because the illegals are not here doesn't mean we would have the same number of AMERICAN CITIZENS and their children replace them immediately. Life doesn't work that way John. The Illegals came here in GROVES. Up to 65 a day some years back. That is why so many kids are in the schools. Between free lunches, books in other languages, bilingual teachers and whatever else the illegals get, it all adds up. Another point about the illegals, they lie when asked about their money situation because they claim they are "indigent". They send money out of the country and the Framingham Citizen taxpayers hold a "sucker" sign.

Apparently John, you and others are not up on the real problems facing Framingham, so we are more than happy to educate you one illegal at a time.....

Joe Rizoli
CCFIILE.com

You mean they come in DROVES. Trees come in GROVES. Imagine how smart you'd have to be to know these kind of things in TWO languages?

So if you're going to vote for your brother .. and he says Stupid people vote in Stupid politicians... then maybe, just maybe, he's talking about you and him! HAH!

Another problem with the Rizoli math is the 1500 kids represents ALL the kids in the ESL program. ALL of the kids are not from illegal parents. I will also bet it is a small portion of the kids parents are illegal. Are the Rizoli's suggesting then we exile the legal immigrants too? A bit of geography lesson too, Puerto Rico is part of the United States and they speak spanish there. The most important thing to remember is the children are NOT illegal. They made none of there parents choices illegal or not. I will volunteer to sweep my curb so Framingham can cancel the costly street sweeping in place of punishing kids... innocent children.

http://www.abetterframingham.org/police-complaint-20080525.html

For those wondering who Harold Wolfe, who the Rizoli's reference, judge for yourself with his blog listed above. Please Are Rizoli's About Nothing Other than Illegal Documents.

Jim Rizoli of CCFIILE.COM said, John and Ortiz....Here you go attacking the messenger.
We told you the problem, we have the solution, and you chose to ignore our advice.
Everything we said was going to happen in the town since 2003 is happening now, so I guess our prediction rate of 100% is pretty good.

People laughed then, and you mock us know and your paying the piper...Go figure!
The definition of Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

You folks haven't learned!

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x491728319/Jury-convicts-Framingham-town-critic-of-assaulting-officer#axzz1FV7HzJbB

I love at the end of the story his own lawyer calls him a jerk as a defense.

"Mr. Wolfe is not on trial here for being a jerk. He's not on trial here for not cooperating with police," said McGrath

Joe Rizoli States:
Donald, do you work for the ADL? Just curious, because all the FACTS, we have posted, the information, the common sense, now comes down to throwing us off the topic to an article written by Harold Wolfe that has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand.

Obviously we have beat you at your game. You also know that Woodrow Wilson school has a lot of Brazilians who aren't from Puerto Rico , FYI. I would suggest that others with the will to learn the FACTS about Illegal immigration go to someone who knows a lot about Immigration, Illegal Immigration, and the Environmental effects of our population, and that man is Frosty Wooldridge.

He traveled all over the world sampling all cultures and their economic conditions and environments and he gives us a BLEAK future for AMERICA which in 25 years will have 100 million more inhabitants.

We are heading for a catastrophe unless we stop ALL immigration and bring it to a more reasonable rate. Meaning SECURE the Borders and enforce the current Immigration laws.
http://www.frostywooldridge.com/info/av_presentations.html
http://www.thesocialcontract.com/

Great resources for Immigration issues.
http://www.frostywooldridge.com/info/links.html
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/frostyndata.htm

Also my brother Jim and I are currently Town meeting members. If your share the same concerns as us for fixing Framingham in its many facets gave us a call.
508-875-0835

Joe Rizoli
CCFIILE.com
CCFIILE.org
CCFIILE@gmail.com

Now, that you all have agreed to disagree perhaps we can move on to other issues.
And consider this issue debated and discussed.

Obviously you have beat nobody at anything. My point over and over again is you do not present any facts, just exagerated numbers that mean nothing. What is the number of ESL students? Roughly 1500 and you keep presenting your facts as if they are all from illegals. Crazy talk and complete lame fear tactics. Then you blame me for throwing you off topic??? Didn't the Rizoli's right that game? I was simply pointing out the loons you reference to back up your fabribated facts. The illegal alien issue is a problem, but not even close to the problem you project it as being. More importantly not even close to the biggest problem this town is facing.

BTW I am not a member of the ADL. Would that change things for you if I was? I simply have no tolerance for BS and I smell a familiar odor around here.

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said... Kira....We (Rizoli's) are entertaining but not as entertaining as it will be when the town goes in receivership when it can't pay it's bills....I'm sure you won't be laughing then. We have a 454 million dollar liability bill (Retiree's health care etc) coming up...who do you think is going to pay for that? The whole budget for the town is 211 million? I guess we'll have to print our own money like the Federal Govt. LOL
There are either going to be massive layoffs or Receivership, pick your poison.

These Rizolis are quite entertaining. haha. thanks for the chuckle. Maybe they should take an English class or two to improve those debate skills and vocabulary? Calling people "stupid" isn't usually an effective discussion tool but a sign of lack of argument. I'm sure they are of native American decent as well and no forefather of theirs was ever a struggling immigrant. Got to love the good US of A. Only in America.

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM said...Kira with no last name..LOL
You fail to address the 454 million dollar liability that is going sink the town.. How do you feel about that.
Your attacking my vocabulary, debating skills is not the issue. Our not being able to pay our bills a is.
Any comments, Kira with no last name...please no personal attacks, just stick with the facts.

sure, calling voters stupid, calling other commentators insane, and bringing in Mickey Mouse are all factual comments. again, thanks for the chuckle, and Kira with no last name is also done.

Jim Rizoli from CCFIILE.COM...Kira....Your a coward, and are here just to make personal attacks.
You still didn't address the issues I nicely ask of you. Your right, case closed because you didn't have a case. Move on to your next victim.