LIVE BLOG: Special Town Meeting Sept. 10
A quorum has been reached, and the first order of business will be to elect a temporary moderator.
7:15 p.m. Town Meeting members are arriving.
7:20 p.m. Looks like there may be enough Town Meeting member for a quorum.
7:31 p.m. A quorum is present.
Since a quorum has been achieved, the first order of business will be to elect a temporary moderator and then to act on two citizen petitions.
Town Clerk Valerie Mulvey is calling the meeting to order.
7:34 p.m. Selectmen chair speaking:
Mulvey introducing State Rep. Tom Conroy, who represents Precinct 3 (saxonville)
Mulvey mentioning about the new floors in Nevins Hall.
At fall special town meeting -- Oct 16 - we will have a rembrance for former Town Moderator Edward Noonan said Mulvey
moment of silence for Noonan
Nominations for temporary moderator - 7:37p.m.
Kathy Vassar - precinct 1 -- nominate Teri S. Banerjee, also of precinct 1.
Edward Kross precinct 12 -- nominate Joel Winett
Mulvey -- show of hands vote.
Mulvey is calling for a count via the tellers
VOTE -- 59 Banerjee 37 votes Winett
7:42 p.m. Framingham Town Meeting has voted Town Meeting member from Precinct 1 Teri S. Banerjee as temporary moderator.
Precinct 3 has new Town Meeting member Shelly ...
Motion for selectmen to make Banerjee interim moderator until the election.
Clerk giving the oath to Banerjee - 7:43 p.m.
Point of order -- Laurence M. Schmeidler -- questioning the appointment power of the interim moderator.
7:44 p.m. Chris Petrini speaking --
Thanks you everyone for selecting me .. let's start the meeting.
take motions on article 1.
7:45 p.m. Kevin Crotty - precinct 7 speaking -- "Thank you Madam moderator"
Article 1 - move the town vote that federal and state representatives and senators file legislation require anyone, including utilities, only place on to their properties approved by the board of health, but only after a public hearing ....
If any chemicals used in the past - utility or must clean up said site to the approval of the board of health or town's health officer.
Town votes to rquest state rep and senators to file legislation
7:47 p.m. Steve Hakar speaking -- he is the man who filed the citizen ptition for this article
Hakar - 1,000 people from Framingham Wayland and Sudbury decided water is so vital -- they asked who would be against this... we don't even have federal regulations against this...
40% of american rivers and american lakes are too polluted to fish or swim. - Hakar
Current laws are not protecting us ... Hakar
Herbicides thraveling through our graound water - affect wildlife and humans alike ...
Thee utilities have already cut the trees - Hakar
It doesn't make sens now to put herbicides as small plants can not harm the power lines. Please vote to protect our drinking water. - Hakar
Moderator -- ask for ruling from town counsel on the legality ...
Only motion on the floor is the original motion -- this is within the scope of the warrant.
Crotty motion with the amendment -- in my opinion would be outside the scope of the warrant article -- you are the judge of that as moderator said Petrini
Moderator -- briefly read he ruling that Town Counsel sent today - rule this out of order at the moment and just take the motion as submitted in the background materials.
Committee reports --
Finance Committee chair Betty Funk speaking - 7:57 p.m. - hinking board of health could speak before I did???
Michael Hugo -chair of board of health to speak --
Hugo: Breath of the aticle, issues and enforcability, certification by the board of health, retroactivity issues and board of health agenda issues.
Hugo -- As written -- require anyone, including the utilities. Who is anyone?
It is everyone in this room, every company in town, every retailer, every resident, etc... - Hugo
I suggest -- that could lead the exodus of Genzyme of Framingham ...
issues of enforcability - Hugo speaking
"What we are looking at hear is an enforcement nightmare," says Hugo
How could we ever staff this article??? Current staffing is 2 inspectors
That would mean 35 million chemicals each ...
Would have inspect all 8,000 buildings in Framinghan, including all the apartmeents.
We would have to hire a PHD chemist and PHS toxicologist - need $1.5 million a year in staffing alone - said Hugo
How do you think this will sell in the town as embers of Town Meeting??? - Hugo
Certification by Board of Health
General chemical is not th worst site in Framingham
took 9 months - made esponsible citizens under people
It has created better citizens .. Hugo
As this is written we would need a hearing for each in town - Hugo
8:04 p.m. Retroactivity issues
That is what we are spending all of your money on with General Chemical -- the cleanup ...
we would need to question everyone on every project they are working on - would cost taxpayers a lot of money
we have over 520 21E sites
Cost would clearly exceed $1.8 million in a minimum - Hugo
Editor's Note: State Rep. Chris Walsh has arrived. Two of the town's 3 state reps are at this special Town Meeting.
8:05 p.m. -- Board of Health is not opposed to reigning in people like NSTAR - Hugo
what we are opposed to is wasting resources - Hugo
What we can do is litigated risk -- we can tell NSTAR that we think it is unfair and we can tell them the board of health is looking at the issue .. ruin NSTAR profits .. and let them know we are going to challenge them .. - Hugo
These are the issues we are exploring with the board of health ...
NSTAR - types of herbicides used -- explore what the medical risks are ...
5 chemicals NSTAR wants to use - these are issues that are near and dear to the bd of health - Hugo
none of these chemicals have been tested when they are combined together - Hugo
Our alternative -- ask Rep. Chris Walsh and Rep. Tom Conroy -- committments from them to help us .. Hugo
Maybe adding some fruit trees or tomato plants...
for those of you who have not seen the destruction - it looks like a war zone -- Hugo
8:11 p.m. Funk speaking -- chair of finance committee --
Serious question - is any of our current water is tainted??
You will not be surprised that the finance committee concerned about the way article is written ... Funk
Finance committee voted against the motion
We hope you will vote in opposition
8:14 p.m. Crotty making a new motion ...
Town Meeting members present -- 108
8:15 p.m. Harold Geller - precinct 2 - vice chair of ways & means committee. met Sept. 5 -- sponsor not able to attend .. chair of board of health did attend
comments and concerns heard tonight also discussed. Committeee had a number of concerns -- it applies to everybody -- not just large corporation but to individuals too - Geller
Also heard about potential cost impact
concern for oversight and concern for enforcement
targeted problem -- could be effectively worked through the board of health
Committee voted against article 0-11-2
Floor open for Town Meeting member discussion
precinct 2 Nicola Cataldo - speaking - 8:18 p.m.
Chemicals have to be defined ... that includes water and salt ... chemicals are not bad .. medicine - the poison is in the dose .. it is how we use it ..
can't bring it down to the idea that chemicals are bad, let's ban them ... this article is too broad ... cataldo ..
way this is written it will cover salt (nacl) and water (h20)
8:20 p.m. Bill McCarthy - TMM10 - speaking -- commend the board of health - one of the better reports - very detailed -- written in a manner that we can all understand... I agreed with about everything he said ..
"This is the most poorly written motion we have ever seen," said Mccarthy
Anyone who puts fertalizer on their lawn would need a public hearing - McCarhy
I hope this never happens again - McCarthy
Linda Fields - Precinct 11 -- speaking .. I think the danger is real .. this article is too broadly drawn ... this should be addressed by the EPA ... this isn't something for us to do ...
Winnett - move the question
2 people still wish to speak
Question is moved
VOTE: unanimously rejected
Article 1 at #Framingham Town Meeting was unanimously rejected 110-0
8:26 p.m. Article 2 motion -- Kevin Crotty --"feel like I have been through the battle of Britian"
Motion -- move Town request federal and state rep and senators file legislature eleiminate all unfunded state and federal mandates ...
Moderator asking for a presentation -- none
Moderator calling for committee reports ...
Steve Hakar asking if he can make a presentation ... moderator does allow him to speak...
8:28 p.m. Hakar report --
8:33 p.m. Committee reports - Chair FinCom Betty Funk speaking --we did not cast a vote.
Motion amended to cange moderator to Town Manager
Point of Information - Steve Orr - precinct 1 -- this is our third shot at dealing with this issue. Is it possible to make a motion to return this article back to the sponsor so it can't come back for three years ...
Moderator -- only motion that restricts timeis ZBA bylaw
Petrini -- that is correct
Moderator -- answer to your question is no
Geller - vice chair ways & means speaking -- discussed on Sept. 5
eliminate all unfunded mandates does that include under funded mandates???
concern that some of the good things that are partially funded could go away .. so looking at this responsibly ... there is something to be said or local control ..
committee voted against this article - vote was unanimous 0-13-0
Town Meeting members wishing to speak ...
Jeff Cox -- move the question and call for a vote ...
Moderator will not accept the motion
Cox - Point of order -- why not move the question
precinct 4 Town Meeting member Laurence M. Schmeidler speaking
8:40 p.m. did any state rep make an effort to file a legislature.
State Rep. Chris Walsh speaking -- 6th Middlesex district -- the answer is a little more complicated -- it has been talked about -- difficult question of unfunded mandates -- got list from school department ... included teacher salaries, sped chapter 70 -- this year in legislature -- Framingham had a $6 million increase in chapater 70 funding...
increase in SPED reimbursements and more money for busing for homeless children, did municipal healthcare reform, and punched up local aid by $600,000
so are things we actually speak to the issue of unfunded mandates -- did not actaully file specific legislation -- fairly complicated concept -- wanted to make sure - that we were going after the right thing.
specifical answer - no
intent answer -- yes
8:43 p.m. I appreciate the answer from Rep. Walsh. I have interest in this issue as I am writing an articel as the editor of an online publication in town ... Laurence M. Schmeidler said
Norma Shulman -- precinct 5 -- heard some information that may be misleading. Don't know if any other town that have passed motions like these ...
first person to say -- Shulman -- really big on democracy and rights of citizen to petition -- but for people so concerned for unfunded mandates -- suggest in future -- if any issue brought forward -- article submitted to selectmen -- packaged in an already called Town Meeting -- and not bringing back the same article we have already voted on ...
Bob Snider - precinct 11 speaking -- these last two articles -- not thought through carefully ... these were not done properly ...
Suggest TM come up rules so we don't have these type of articles brought before us ...
not saying the sponsor of the article is not well-meaning ...
All this is doing is wasting out time ... do something with rules committee or government study committee.
Moderator asking if anyone wish to speak in favor of the article ...
Precinct 18 members spoke in favor -- need to keep pushing...
Mark W. McClennan - motion to refer back to sponsor ...this is costing the town moderator if vote in favor ... if we vote against this .. best action refer to sponsor ...
Moderator -- can this referred back to sponsor???
Petrini -- refer back to sponsor would be an appropriate motion
8:53 p.m. Kathi McCathy - precinct 10 speaking --rise to request that you vote against this...
Many of these unfunded mandates are dealing with civil rights and welfare for children ... what bothers me most about this is to say we should eliminate this -- it is not written correctly ... the message is not clear .. that we are promoting civil rights, etc..
Move the question ...motion
Question is moved
Point of order by Kross -- asking Cox to put his motion n writing
Mark's motion -- motion is referred back to sponsor
Concludes the business said moderator ...
Ned Price -- question asked -- we didn't get the appropriate answer ...
will you have capability to replace people on committees?
Moderator -- that is not an appropriate question. Ask the Town Counsel after town meeting is over.
Motion by Crotty to dissolve the warrant -- 9 p.m.
Town Meeting is over.