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Warren: Cut Healthcare Costs, Focus on Jobs and Education [Live Chat Recap]

U.S. Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren joined us live on July 13 to answer your questions. Here's a short recap of the Q&A session.

 

U.S. Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren joined us for a live chat with Patch readers yesterday. Many of the questions submitted were about her position on healthcare, job creation and the affordability of higher education.

Check out the following short recap, or browse through the full Q&A transcript. 

On her heritage

Patch: The first question came from a reader in Lynnfield. "Although there is a relatively small number of Mass. voters of Native American descent, do you feel you have addressed their concerns about your own statements involving your heritage?"

Elizabeth Warren: Growing up, my mother and grandparents often talked about our family's Native American heritage. As a kid, I never asked them for documentation—what kid would?

But growing up, I knew that my parents had been very much in love, but that my father's family said they couldn't get married because my mother was part Cherokee and part Delaware. So they eloped. We grew up with this all our lives. 

I never asked for—and never got—any benefit in school or in jobs. The people who hired me have said that they didn't even know about it when they recruited me—and it played no role in my hiring. 

So there it is. 

On Healthcare

From Dennis Naughton: "I am a senior citizen and am very concerned about the future of Medicare. Senator Brown has made it clear that he supports the Republican ideas that would tend to privatize the system. I oppose that idea, especially given the collapse of the economy and what it did to 401ks. What is your position on the future of Medicare."

Elizabeth Warren: I disagree with Republicans who want to privatize Medicare. Cutting Medicare won't keep people from having heart attacks or developing diabetes. In other words, people will still get sick and they will still need care. Pushing the costs of their care on families or emergency rooms doesn't change the basic calculation, and it certainly won't cut overall health care costs. 

The real issue is the rising cost of health care that is squeezing families. We need to work on cutting health care costs. The Affordable Care Act begins the process, but we need to do more to improve quality while reducing overall costs. 

If I can put in a plug for our local folks, some of the best research in the country and some of the most exciting innovations in health care delivery are happening right here in Massachusetts. We should support this work--that's how we move forward.

On Jobs

From Johnny: "What job programs do you support to aleviate unemployment? Would you be in favor of lowering capital gains to make it more appealing for companies to have business here?"

Elizabeth Warren: Last fall Scott Brown and all the Republicans voted to block three jobs bills in a row. We had nearly a quarter of a million people unemployed here in Massachusetts. The first jobs bill would have supported about 22,000 jobs here in MA, the second would have prevented layoffs of teachers, firefighters and police all across the Commonwealth, and the third would have supported nearly 11,000 jobs mostly in construction in transportation. 

These jobs bills could have made a real difference in the lives of thousands of families and helped our economy recover faster. I support any and all of them.

On Education

From Karl Johnson: I'm a school committee member from Dover. I know you're a supporter of holding the line on college interest rates. While this is an admirable band aid to nominally mitigate student debt burdens it doesn't address the underlying need for reducing the out of control growth in college and university tuition costs vs. household income growth. What would you do to encourage and/or force structural changes in the college/university cost structure to truly make higher education affordable to middle and upper middle class families? 

Elizabeth Warren: College costs have gone through the roof. A young person today going to a state university will pay (adjusted for inflation) more than 350% of what a student would have paid thirty years ago. Investment in public universities has declined, and that has forced more costs onto the students. 

Universities and students are trying hard to make progress and changes. They are trying to save money, improve graduation rates, and improve job placement rates. They are working hard to innovate. I recently visited Bunker Hill Community College. Classes start at BHCC at 7:00 AM and the last class STARTS at 11:45 PM. The students, teachers and the school are struggling to use their facilities to their fullest extent so that they can deliver a quality education to as many people as possible. 

We need to support students who are trying to get an education--and that means supporting the schools that are trying to educate them.

Those are just a few of the questions Warren answered during our 45 minute live chat. You can read the full chat transcript here

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arnold

11:24 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012

What Warren campaign worker selected the questions ? Or is the Patch another media lap dog? Even the education question didn't touch the fact that her $350K salary is a big part of excessive cost of education.
A former Patch reader.

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Mark Cain

10:54 am on Monday, July 16, 2012

Well she is no Indian giver.

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Joe Kane

11:24 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012

I can see that she does not recognize that she and other highly paid professors are part of the problem of escallating college costs. Also, she mentions that Bunker Hill Community College has classes basically ALL Day, from very early in the morning to very late at night. However, there is no mention of cutting out classes that are offered that bring no value to the student population, but fulfill a political agenda of those that want the classes on the docket and try to force students to take them because they say it will give them a more "rounded" education. (Translation - pay for niche educational subjects that have no value in getting and securing a job).

Ms Warren also doesn't seem to understand that our government is spending way too much of OUR money. Job Bills that are related to keeping government jobs afloat should be shot down. Those jobs don't fluctuate like the private sector does during hard times. That is why they are suffering now. A Jobs Bill that would stimulate private sector jobs would then increase the tax base and help the necessary government jobs to survive. Obama's "stimulus" package just put money out to public employees, but never dealt with the ongoing subject of where that money comes from and how to react to market conditions. But we need to look at all of our costs within the government. It is way too bloated!!

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Joe Kane

11:24 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012

And by the way.... these questions, while they do have some relevance to topics of interest, the issue of integrity should have been pushed harder. I know that she has had time to put together a story that makes her feel good, but the fact of the matter is that during the time that she "used" her minority status to either provide an advantage over other candidates or open doors to other opportunities, she was an adult during this whole time. If you are going to declare something like this, you should verify it first before putting it down on any application. This is complete fraud and I don't want someone representing me that follows these ethics and morals!!

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HyeAghcheg

9:52 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

It's all well and good for her to preach her talking points. The question is, how does she propose to make these changes? ACA has done nothing to decrease the cost of healthcare...how many people have had their policy premiums decrease since the law was passed? Why don't people ask Warren, why she's paid $350K year, yet claims to be a member of the working class? Who honestly believes she can relate to middle class voters? She's great at talking and favoring increases in spending and taxation. Those policies are not going to put people back to work.

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Anne

9:42 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Regarding Affordable Care Act: Most ACA benefits require an implementation period and won't be available until 2014. My family has benefited from ACA. I have 2 sons that remain on my family health plan - a huge benefit. My elderly parents fell into the donut hole and can now afford their medications. My family, friends, and neighbors have pre-existing conditions and will no longer be denied coverage or forced out of the system by higher premiums. I am a woman and very much appreciate that insurance companies can no longer charge me more for my policy than my male colleagues. I will also appreciate it when I no longer have to pay higher premiums to cover expenses incurred by uninsured people that have the resources to pay for insurance but choose not to. That is not liberty. It is freeloading.

Regarding Elizabeth Warren: I believe it is possible to relate to people of different means and that Warren has long been a champion for the middle class. She grew up in a family of modest income. She had her first child at 19. As a mother, she attended the University of Houston and Rutgers, both public universities.

Warren's work throughout her life has focused on how our middle class family income shifted in the last 40 years from being able to support a family on one income to barely able to meet needs on two incomes and therefore forced to rely heavily on credit. Warren is courageous in her advocacy and speaks up to lenders eager to profit on our misfortune.

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Anne

8:10 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Regarding Brown and his co-sponsorship of the Blunt Amendment: The Blunt Amendment doesn't just apply to women. It would have allowed any insurer and/or employer to deny coverage for any service based on a "moral conviction". As I said earlier, that's a slippery slope that can be used to deny men and women health coverage. Carol Keehan, the president and CEO of Catholic Health Association, said that President Obama’s compromise
approach “protects the religious liberty and conscience rights of Catholic institutions.’’ This amendment wasn't about the Catholic Church. It was another example of the Republican Party appeasing the far right by further restricting women's reproductive rights as well and denying health coverage to both men and women.

Women pay the same amount or more for their health premiums. It is not a "handout" to expect that we can get our prescriptions filled. FindBalance - $10 is a co-pay rate (and a low one at that) - not the amount women pay if they are denied coverage.

Women also expect to be paid the same rate as their male counterparts when performing the same job. Again, not a handout. Scott Brown voted against equal pay for women.

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FindBalance

10:00 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Hi Anne - It is not up to the govt to mandate that someone provide a particular service - if you want that service, find a provider that will provide it to you, and meet their criteria. Govt involvement is the easy road, but leads to more govt control and you become more dependent on govt.

Since health insurance doesn't pay for condoms, is that a war on men. Condoms help prevent the spread of AIDS, so then wouldn't that be a war on people? Take responsibility into your own hands and don't rely on govt intrusion.

RE Women's salaries for doing "the same job". Again, if you are a women and think you aren't getting the same salary as a man doing the same job, don't rely on govt intervention, go find another company that values you at the rate you believe for your ability. That's what men do when they are passed over for promotions and/or feel they are not being compensated as well for doing "the same job" as a co-worker. And I question what "the same job" is - there are so many other factors that have greater influence over compensation than just male/female - like how well the job is done, what is the dedication to the job, are you willing to put more time in on a consistent basis to do more in a particluar position? If a woman is truly superior to man in these regards, then make the case to your employer, and if they don't listen, go find another employer who values you to the degree you believe you deserve. That's what a job market is all about.

Peg

9:52 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

What a crock of an interview. Where were the hard questions? Liz, what about the homes you bought at auction, evicted the owners and resold the homes at a large profit? Don't you think those families felt a bit "hammered?" Liz, don't you get the fact that you are part of the tuition problem? 350K a year???? Liz, why do you support Patrick's stand on illegal immigrants? Why did you work for an insurance company to assure their clients would not receive benefits? Where is the proof of your statement that you were the first woman in the country to breast feed while taking the bar exam?

Lies, lies, lies. Do we really need another liberal liar in DC? One with no experience whose only job will be as the Nobama yes girl from MA? Is that what you want? Well I don't.

I'm a female Democrat who is voting for Scott Brown.

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Anne

9:42 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Scott Brown's voting record demonstrates his lack of support for women or middle class families. He was a co-sponsor of the Blunt Amendment which would have allowed employers to deny birth control AND other services based on religious or moral convictions. That is one slippery slope. Do you want to have to explain to your boss why he/she should not morally object to any medication or operation you may need?

Brown voted against the Paycheck Fairness Act to support equal pay for women doing the same work as men. He voted against several job bills that would have put MA residents back to work. Brown's support for Wall Street and continued deregulation puts our families at risk but rewards him personally as the top beneficiary of Wall Street tycoons. Warren, on the other hand, fought for a federal Consumer Protection Agency. We now have mortgage documents that are simple to read and protect us from legal jargon that previously led to foreclosures. Credit card companies are required to state their lending terms in a way that borrowers can understand. These practices are in place to combat the lies and deceptions of big business.

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FindBalance

4:29 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

Anne - who received more donations from Wall Street than anyone ever - Pres Obama.

What were the jobs bills Brown voted against - they were govt spending bills that would have cost tax payers more, and would be unsustainable. Big diff between Brown and Warren - Brown believes that private sector creates jobs, Warren believes govt spending creates jobs.

Talk about twisted (I'm sorry - that's the only word I can use to accurately describe what you are doing) narration this war on women is. No one is owed anything by anyone else - you want to mandate that by govt intervention. By preventing the Catholic church from making a policy based on their religious tenets, they are infringing on freedom of religion. You're bickering over a $10/month birth control pill; let me ask - is there no handout for which you are not willing to ask? Go out and make yourself of value to some one or company that is willing to pay you at a level for you to pay for what you want; in other words, earn what you get. No one owes you anything.

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David Nolta

4:38 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

FindBalance--we're still waiting for your credible sources on Obama being the biggest recipient of Wall Street donors ever. And as for nobody owing anything to anybody, that may or may not be true. But nice people looking for balance usually agree to at least pretend that they owe the people they are talking to a bit of courtesy. Your attack on Anne is REALLY inappropriate.

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FindBalance

5:07 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

She found my hot button, David. There is some twisting in politics, but this Republican war on women narrative brings twisting to far greater heights - don't you agree? I do owe Anne a little courtesy - but that is not what I was referring to when I said no one owes her anything. Do I need to explain further?

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FindBalance

5:23 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

FindBalance--we're still waiting for your credible sources on Obama being the biggest recipient of Wall Street donors ever:

Here are some:
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/10/guess-which-president-has-raked-in-the-most-wall-street-bucks-in-a-generation/
Despite his rhetorical attacks on Wall Street, a study by the Sunlight Foundation’s Influence Project shows that President Barack Obama has received more money from Wall Street than any other politician over the past 20 years, including former President George W. Bush.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-04-20/politics/obama.goldman.donations_1_obama-campaign-presidential-campaign-federal-election-commission-figures?_s=PM:POLITICS

From FactCheck.org
During the 2008 campaign, Obama raised about $42.8 million from the finance/insurance/real estate industry -- far above McCain’s haul of about $31.1 million. (FactCheck.org wrote that Obama’s haul was more than George W. Bush’s in 2004 even when adjusted for inflation.)

Add up all the financial grpoups, and Pres Obama was supported by Wall Street more than any other President.

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David Nolta

5:47 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

Now THIS, FindBalance, is fascinating! Your second link claims that despite the large investment by Goldman Sachs in the Obama campaign in 2008, Obama's government has NOT given them special treatment--in fact, he has not pandered to his donors, wherever they are from. Good for him! The first link, which any reader will recognize as rather biased, would seem to be counterBALANCED by the respected Christian Science Monitor's recent claims that Wall Street has "returned" to the Republican Party, and that RIGHT NOW, Wall Street is supporting Romney, not Obama. That is, ROMNEY is receiving the greatest number of dollars for his campaign, not the incumbent. Something to think about, no?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/From-the-Wires/2012/0202/Mitt-Romney-draws-more-Wall-Street-donations-than-Obama

John

9:52 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

This woman is one nasty loathsome human being. Lets go over a few facts. She is an extremely wealthy wealthy white woman from Oklahoma, a bankruptcy lawyer in fact. Yet, she runs around ( even though we all know its not true ) masquarading herself as a minority, for 2 decades, in order to advance her career, aquire money and land herself a professorship at a Harvard. She has no concern for actual minorties who were supposed to benefit from this scenario, and to add insult to injury, she contributed recipes that she stole from the NYT back in 79 to an American Indian cookbook called "Pow Wow Chow". How racist, how insensitive. Have you seen her "I throw Rocks" tirade on Youtube? This woman is one angry bitter twisted lunatic, and I am frightened that she actually may end up being a US Senator. Well its hot out, and I think I will go cook up some crab with tomato mayonaise dressing because I am feeling my own indian roots right about now. And we all know how much mayonaise is such a part of American Indian cuisine. Dont believe me? Look it up in Pow Wow Chow.

One More thing - she was in Michael Moores film "Capitalism, A Loves Story". What does that tell us? That she, like Michael Moore, loves to make money, but gets real pissed off if other people make money. I have a lot of friends who own and run small businesses in this state, and they are not sure they can survive Deval Patricks idiocy muchless adding the Elizabeth Warren train wreck to the mix. God help us....

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David Nolta

10:38 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

Ooh, John, I used to like your style. So I take it you don't believe a word that Elizabeth Warren says? You don't accept that she was raised to believe she had Native Americans among her ancestors? And so she's a racist? And she's lying when she says that her employers never knew or cared about her self-identification? And they're lying if they back her up? And she "runs around masquerading" ... in order to "aquire money and land herself a professorship at a Harvard"? (That IS bad, acquiring money! And getting a good job, too! Are there no depths to her evil?) And she "stole recipes"? You certainly do describe a monster! But it is nothing like the Elizabeth Warrren I have heard on the radio, providing the public with accurate and useful and urgent information about the destructive practices of the large financial institutions which have done so much to prostrate this country, and which threaten every working American. But I get it, you don't like her. So you should probably vote for Brown.

Dan Fredonia

9:52 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

Joe, you said, ".......but the fact of the matter is that during the time that she "used" her minority status to either provide an advantage over other candidates or open doors to other opportunities, she was an adult during this whole time. If you are going to declare something like this, you should verify it first before putting it down on any application."

WHERE is your evidence that she "used" her minority staus for ANY advantage?? Cite proof....otherwise, you're just blowing smoke. if YOU are going to declare something like this, YOU should varify it first before putting it down on here!

(Crickets.......Crickets)....nothing?

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Joe Kane

9:42 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Dan, you must really be blind to miss the obvious!! The reason that a declaration of minority status and ethnic background are on application forms of any kind is because THEY ARE USED IN MAKING DECISIONS ON THE APPLICANT! Why, do you believe that they are on the form to fill unused space??!! Please.....

Bob

9:41 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

For some reason the Warren brand of Kool Aid doesn't quench my thirst. The more answers she spews out, the more questions I have of her. She never answers the specific questions she is asked but merely parrots the party line. That is, if Patrick is not speaking for her. Dan says that we should verify what we say about what she says. That's not an easy undertaking...since she speaks out of both sides of her mouth. Just like John Heinz Kerry..."I was for it before I was against it." Honesty and Integrity are still important. I demand and expect it from my children...I hope that our leaders have it. Ms. Warren has yet to show me that she is a leader and a person of integrity. 1/32 does not an Indian make...except maybe in LALA Land. How many times in the past few years have you heard the phrase "Our once great country?" Never heard that growing up. It was and always should be..."This great country of ours!" Mitt and Scott in November.

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David Nolta

10:03 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Okay, Bob, now why not take apart your last post--try to understand that vague "for some reason" that you are so immune to Warren's appeal. Your description of her as "spewing" and "parroting"--and perhaps just channeling the Governor--that's all rough stuff, but you haven't presented anybody with your real reason for not caring about her record of working for the middle classes--of fighting successfully for the rights of middle class, working Americans, who are up against the vast and exploitative financial giants that work to distort our democracy. Anne has posted some very informative stuff on one of the related blogs on The Patch--not vague and vitriolic accusations, but sound and useful and demonstrable information about what Warren does and continues to do to help middle class Americans. And at some point I hope we can move beyond the Native American connection--1/32 is 1/32. Unless of course YOU have discovered evidence, unavailable to all the other angry, name-calling Warren-maligners, that she deliberately lied and benefited from lying about what she was raised to believe about her ancestors. Is that REALLY the issue you want to cast your vote on? "She works hard and gets things done for the working classes, but she thought she was Native American, so I am not voting for her, that so-and-so!" REALLY???

Ray Fellows

9:41 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Notice EVERYTHING she says is always EXACTLY the same? Everything she says, even about her personal life, is scripted. Her eyes must be brown because she is full of it. Never seen a more phony politician in my life and the majority is not buying what she's selling. Good thing she makes a huge salary off my tax dollars, she's racking up a huge bill trying to buy this seat!

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David Nolta

10:08 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Ray, really? You've never seen a more phony politician in your life? You must be very young indeed. That would explain the scatological humor, I suppose. And though children tend to care about precision and accuracy, and knowing where things come from, it might also explain your absolutely unfounded assertion that you pay Elizabeth Warren with your precious tax dollars--you don't. And huge salaries are relative--both Brown and Warren do have impressive salaries. As far as being scripted, when you're older you'll see that so much of politics sounds scripted--in part for the protection of the politician from constant misquoting and attack.

Joe Kane

9:42 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Dan, you must really be blind to miss the obvious!! The reason that a declaration of minority status and ethnic background are on application forms of any kind is because THEY ARE USED IN MAKING DECISIONS ON THE APPLICANT! Why, do you believe that they are on the form to fill unused space??!! Please.....

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David Nolta

10:15 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

No, Joe, they CAN be used in making decisions, and in some places, in filling quotas. But that is by no means automatic. If you say you have Native American ancestry on an application, and your application is subsequently successful, that does NOT mean that your Native American ancestry played any part--negative or positive--in your success. You really should familiarize yourself with the process (generally, and at specific institutions, and in particular situations involving specific individuals), before repeating accusations. Accusations which, by the way, Elizabeth Warren addressed calmly in the recent Patch Q&A, to which you are referred.

Joe Kane

1:20 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

No Dave. You are twisting around the use of the application to meet your political agenda. If it supported Warren, then you would be taking a different spin on whether it was used for and advantage. Sorry, but common sense wins this time, not politics.

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David Nolta

1:45 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

No Joe, I am not twisting around the use of the application--whatever you mean by that. I am very familiar with the application process from both sides, and especially in the academic context. And so again, "If you say you have Native American ancestry on an application, and your application is subsequently successful, that does NOT mean that your Native American ancestry played any part--negative or positive--in your success." As far as what I would or would not do in any situation, that is hardly something you can claim to know. Your own method--speculation and unsupported opinion--has little to do with common sense, is quite partisan and political, and in the end maintains the party line.

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David Nolta

1:51 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

And by the way, that question--did Elizabeth Warren's indication that she had Native American ancestors help her to succeed (in an application to school, for a job, etc.)?--is best answered by the people reviewing the applications, not by the person applying. Elizabeth Warren has answered the question to the extent that she is able, and no amount of shouting her down serves to disprove that she thought she had a Native American connection, nor does it prove that she benefitted by it wherever she may have indicated that belief.

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FindBalance

4:24 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

Why would Prof Warren chack the Native American box, if it was not her intent to get some kind of advantage?

As for Harvard answering the question of whether they hired her, their answer is suspect so as to save face. I am sure they used her status in their progaganda of how many minorities they hire.

Walt Magee

3:27 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

Vote for Scott Brown; that's all!

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FindBalance

4:24 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

Correction - As for Harvard answering the question of whether Prof Warren's minority status had any influence on Harvard's decision to hire her, their answer is suspect so as to save face...

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David Nolta

4:32 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

So everyone who says something that contradicts our presuppositions is lying? Harvard is lying to save face. And please do show us some evidence of Harvard using her presumed status "in their progaganda of how many minorities they hire." Lots of opinions, lots of partisan accusations, but never any back-up.

I like Scott Brown! But I support Elizabeth Warren because she has proven (!) that she will be a smarter fighter for working Americans! Go Elizabeth Warren!

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FindBalance

4:51 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

If you don't think Harvard uses minority stats, you are naive, David. And yes, Harvard would lie to save face - it only makes sense.

And EW will be a smarter fighter for working Americans - all it will cost is your liberty, power, and choice, because the direction she will go in is that Govt knows best, and will provide for you...

David Nolta

4:58 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

Have you listened to Elizabeth Warren? Do you have proof that she and Harvard lie? Just once, give us something other than your biased opinion! Please. Your "sense" is different from other people's senses of "sense".

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FindBalance

9:05 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

Do you think in every court case there concrete proof? No, it is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

I look objectively at the situation - Harvard put it on the application to use as a factor in their decision making.

She checked off the box. Why? So that she would get an advantage - that's what the box is for, to get special consideration! For something she wasn't (i.e., a Native American). Now, I don't believe I said she lied, but this suggests either she lied knowingly, or she was trying to get an advantage for a major position for which she was applying - it's not high school chat with your friends that you have Native American blood - if you are checking that box off when applying for that kind of position (to say nothingof checking it off when applying for college), you better know for sure what your claimed heritage is.

Harvard hired her + Harvard publishes its minority hiring stats + Harvard publishes its minority stats to show they are a leader in minority hiring = contrary to their saying they hired her purely based on her qualifications => Harvard lied

How much more proof do you need before you stop blindly accepting what EW and Harvard keep saying?

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David Nolta

10:46 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

No one, in law, is convicted on generalities and the assumptions of a third party. You are that third party here, FB. Claiming to know what the box is for (you've given us one example of what the box doubtless is for, but you haven't shown that it was used in this case for that purpose), claiming to know exactly why she checked the box (which you do not know--and there are numerous possible reasons for checking a box, including "to tell the truth"--I am still waiting for some evidence that she did not believe she was telling the truth. And think about it, I have seen and filled out many applications, and if I check the Caucasian box, am I doing that to get an advantage? If I choose NOT to check the Caucasian box, am I doing THAT to get an advantage? How do YOU claim to know, in either case?) As far as "proving" that Harvard "lied"--your string is even weaker. You can't convict an instititution by listing, as you have, "things that they do" without demonstrating that in this particular case specific individuals did these particular things. And in academic situations, by the way, students who receive special treatment (which can include scholarships, etc.) specifically based on heritage, are not usually kept in the dark about that. In other words, it would not be kept secret from the student or the public, and to actually receive tangible benefits, it is (and has been for decades, eg at Berkeley) necessary to produce written proof of a far closer connection than Warren's.

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Joe Kane

12:18 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Keep drinking the Coolaid Dave. The rest of us with objective minds are moving on!

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FindBalance

12:18 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

David - I am not a third party in this scenario, I am a juror, and I have seen enough evidence to convict both EW and Harvard. To you, this seems not to be enough evidence, I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

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David Nolta

6:10 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Yes, FindBalance--I agree with that!

Joe Rizoli

9:05 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

We got what 6 or seven million people in MA and Elizabeth Warren is the BEST candidate for the Democratic Party? You gotta be kidden. Doesn't say much for the quality of people in MA in the Democratic Party. Why don't you go to the Franklin Park Zoo and flip a coin in the Gorilla cages. I figure if some can call EW a lunatic, then I can say flip a coin to prove than lunacy.
Hey why not get Tim Murray to run. He can't even come clean about his miraculous car crash. He should have been fired pronto, no questions asked. Imagine they stopped all of us from getting his phone calls. Something is wrong with that picture.

Joe Rizoli

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Chris L.

9:05 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

Lizzie has called herself the "intellectual mother" of the Occupy movement.

Not sure that's something I'd brag about, Pocahontas..........

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