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Women Serving in Combat: What Do You Think?

The Pentagon lifted its ban on women serving in combat roles, including roles on the front lines.

 

The Pentagon made an historic move Thursday when it lifted its ban on women serving in combat.

A 1994 restriction prevented women in the military from serving in combat, including service on the front lines. However, many argued, including the American Civil Liberties Union, that reality showed women already serving on the front lines

The military's lift of the ban opens up to 230,000 posts to women in the military, according to USA Today

What do you think about the military lifting the ban? Tell us in the comment section below! 

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GM

12:13 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

markvital1 -- sounds like you don't know a whole lot about armor!

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Francis P. Ardito,Sr

4:03 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

I agree with Mark. Pilots, sailors, Coast Guards yes. Marines and Army units no.

AEO81

8:31 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Women already have lowered standards to join the military and youll see in order to get more numbers of them in combat units they will lower the standards for them....it's a bad joke that will get men killed.... but we don't fight to win wars anymore sooo guess it doesn't matter ....

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Milford Senior Man

9:50 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

I agree with you Lois. This is strictly a political move. A feel-good mandate. I believe women do belong in the military doing many different jobs very capably but don't let women go into combat. It's just wrong.

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GM

2:20 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

I think you may have a point here, but this recommendation was made by two of the military's most senior generals. What was their political agenda here? They, more than anyone else, should fully appreciate the implications of the change they apparently recommended. I'm baffled... it's one thing to want to flow in the political current, but this is a decision that will affect mortality and injury on the battlefield and the military ethics both generals should be living by would require that they take that consideration into account.

Joescarp

10:00 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

As an Army veteran, I think adding possible romantic entanglements to a combat infantry unit could be disastrous.

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aycaramba

9:58 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013

The documented romantic entanglements between soldiers go back to at least the 4th century BC. Remember Alexander the Great?

marc

10:16 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Why not? Let them fight in real battle conditions where real bullets are fired, not the imaginary ones they fire upon their husbands, boyfriends, etc. The battles they conjure up with all of the above are usually the result of some hidden agenda or insecurity. I'll bet that whatever female officer who pushed this on her compatriots, will regret it when mms, sisiters, wives, aunts and nieces start dying and are flown back toi the USA in pine boxes. God knows I'd never let my daughters go to a starnge land and get killed or abused by the animals we fight.

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GM

2:20 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

marc, if things work out the way I anticipate they will, the impacts you are predicting will become obvious well in advance of them actually happening. What do you think the popular reaction of women will be when they learn that they will have to also register for the selective service, just like boys do -- and they all realize that they could be subject to being drafted, just like boys currently do? It's one thing to make a "career opportunity" available to men and women. It's something else to impose a potential obligation to serve in the defense of this country by serving in the combat arms of the military on both men and women -- but that's what equality will call for in this case..

Karen Salemi

10:17 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Let's not return to sexism and ridiculous PMS jokes. We need only look at who's in jail for committing violent crimes to see that women are very good at managing their PMS but men obviously have lots of control issues on good days.

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marc

10:21 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Men have control issues because women drive them to drink!

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Peg

11:00 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

You're the same kind of person who would make a ridiculous joke about a man leaving the toilet seat up or using the remote control. Lighten up. I'm female, made the same PMS comment yesterday and it's funny.

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GM

2:20 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Your comment suggests to me that, perhaps, we should look at moving to an all-female military. Where is it more important to exercise good control than under circumstances where lethal force is being employed against an enemy, sometimes in the middle of a civilian population center?

Peg

11:10 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

I am opposed to woman serving in combat. One can only imagine the ways a woman would be tortured and abused, both physically and sexually, if captured in one of those countries while fighting on the front lines. The thought of it makes my skin crawl.

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marc

12:09 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

I agree wholeheartedly. My comments were made to express a viewpoint and engender a little chuckle from guys who have experienced what I have: a caustic ex wife and girlfriends who start idiotic fights over what they THINK you did, not WHAT you did. You sound like a women who knows how to make a point and when expressing criticism, doesn't hang the recpient, just lets him know how you feel. Yes, no woman should EVER be subjected to those animals in the Middle East who would easily rape, torture or kill us as look at us. Suicide bombers, child killers??!!! AMEN!

Russ Barber

11:18 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

There is a place in the Military for women....Direct Combat Units is not a good place for anyone male or female...Having served in two Wars Vietnam (No females Close to the fighting) Gulf War with females in direct supports units brought unique problems to the units...My personal thought this president is just pandering to the left wing of the democrate party...Just saying....

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MCREMvonStauffenfritzpellmell

2:20 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

The PENTAGON lifted the ban. The President approves of it. So do a lot of men and women. No pandering, no partisanship--people with different points of view, slowly moving (as we have long been moving) toward fulfilling our national mission of equality. A more important question is how can we reduce the numbers of fighting men and women around the world? And the need for them? Peace and diplomacy.

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GM

2:20 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

But Russ, at least if the news reports are accurate, this wasn't something initiated by the President, or even by the Secretary of Defense. It was initiated by two of our top generals (both graduates of my alma mater, incidentally, which just makes it tougher to wrap my arms around). The arguments I have been hearing in support of this change have all cited the number of women who have been killed or injured in combat zones already. What I want to hear are the stories of the women who effectively engaged with and killed, incapacitated, or captured enemy soldiers and equipment. I have not doubt that women have the ability to be brave. I have even read articles that suggest to me that women may even be capable of enduring prolonged hardship longer than men. But the thought that women can die or be wounded just as effectively as men doesn't provide a justification of allowing them into the combat arms. To paraphrase a quote from Patton -- "It's not your job to die for your country. It's your job to make the other dumb b______d die for his (or her?) country."

Independentyankee

12:09 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Israeli women serve. Raise the standards for all enlistees to those of the Marines and let it be gender neutral. Droves of male active duty personnel would fail to meet those basic requirements; uniforms now come in husky sizing. Women who qualify should be welcome. Regardless, a voluntary military means women serving in combat is a choice initiated by women. I remember when, prior to Title IX girls played basketball by Iowa-rules because boy's rules were beyond them. Are women created the same? Perhaps not, but those who are qualified and want to should be allowed to serve.

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GM

2:20 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Independentyankee, I like a lot of what you are suggesting here, particularly with regard to establishing and maintaining solid standards for evaluating people's capabilities to serve. I don't think the Israeli comparison is entirely valid however. Israel doesn't send its military all over the world to project its power into every conflict that flares up that it wants to get involved in. If the U.S. military's sole mission was home defense, I think I would be with you on the idea of incorporating women into the military. But when military forces are sent all over the globe, there are practical issues associated with deploying mixed sex units on front lines that can't be ignored. It's not just a matter of allowing people who "choose" to be on the front lines to do so.

Jerry

2:20 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

As long as the standards are EXACTLY the same for men and women. Only 3% of the active Israeli army is female so comparing us to them is not relevant. Combat and minimal standards for those in combat are not the place to play around. That is how people get killed.

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Neighbor

2:20 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

if women can met the same standards as men then I hav eno problem. That said I don't wan tto be kiled while a woman who got in on a weaker standrd and can't carry me to safety drops me and gets us all killed. i think captured women can be used against us to mess with the people in this country that are already soft on war. Once women get captured and tortured by our enemies the country will be crying to pull out of said war. I think woman are equal to men in many instances but war isn't one. This will play into our enemies hands as another way to exploit the weakness of the American psyche. We can't seen to stomach what it takes to win a war. Thank God our GrandFATHERS could. This is a mistake. But, If they want to fight and can meet the mens standards then I don't wat to hear them complaiing when they are getting sexualy tortured by our enemies.

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Tippy Doodle

3:59 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

i am all for equal rights, but this just doesnt sit right for me.

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Danielle Lizotte

9:46 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

If a woman meets the combat qualifications what difference does it make which reproductive organs she has? As long as she is brave enough and strong enough, and is willing to take the risks, then she should be allowed to do so. Women are already fighting and coming home in pine boxes or with missing limbs. This policy change simply reflects the reality of what is already happening.

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SEM

9:46 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

I have no issues with woman doing the same things as men for the most part and this would be an exception. What will happen is our military power will go from #1 to #????. Woman are not physically made like men, when men have to carry 70-100lbs through the hot steamy desert some will not have the stamina. Some things they are better than men, others even, but war not.

Not to be graphic, but lets' face facts. What happens during war or when the troops on are on the move for days without stopping and woman have thier "Freind" Will the war/shooting stop so she can go to the womans room?

There are also many more issues. This is another social experiment. Another way for Obama's Administration to take us from #1 country in the world to 3rd world status.

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aycaramba

9:58 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013

Oh please. This is not the President's project. Read the article and the other comments. This originated with the Pentagon. President Obama does not want us to stop being "number one" whatever the hell that means, and accepting rather than pretending to accept the quality of women is a good thing that MANY people acknowledge. Your post is really pretty creepy, by the way.

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Danielle Lizotte

9:59 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013

Both men and women, have private toilet needs that tend to become more public, I'm sure, at the battle field. Menstruating is not like a sudden urge that you must run off and find a place to take care of it where no one can possibly see you. "Ooops, can't kill you right now! Got to go take care of my girly business! And NOBODY watch me!" I mean come on. That excuse is so 1950's.

And secondly, there are very big strong women and very small weak men. Yes, the spectrum leans toward more bigger men, but haven't you ever met a big strong woman? I'm not saying take away the training pack requirement, but if she can carry it, what difference does it make if she has to throw a few tampons in to hers?

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GM

7:45 am on Thursday, April 4, 2013

It is an interesting article, and the quote at the end from Marty Dempsey is absolutely depressing. I can't figure out what political considerations are driving his behavior, but I'm sure that the considerations have very little to do with what he should have learned about combat operations in his career leading up to his generalship. Perhaps the evolution of military technology is evolving so rapidly that the most important skills are to be able to fly a drone form a protected bunker in Colorado without spilling coffee in your lap. Anyone for a round of Call of Duty on their gaming computer?

I'm glad to see that the Marines at least understand what's important (rare praise from an Army guy!)

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