What's interesting about the Democrats is no matter how bad their platform is they all seem to stick with it. Give illegals driving licenses...Sure! Let them vote even better! In State tuition youbetcha! You would think some would say....gee, this isn't a good thing for America.
But they are a tight knit bunch of lemmings and they do what their are told even if it goes against common sense. And that is why I'm not a Democrat....because they are guided by emotion and not common sense. And that is why they are behind Elizabeth Warren. They back her up because women generally tend to act on emotion and not common sense. This is just the way it is, sorry if it bothers some of you. It's not a slap against women, it's just how they are made.
Not all women are that way though, I've met some that have more common sense than men, but then again, they were not Democrats.
jim@ccfiile.com

Jim,
I'd be careful if I were you. You will find that tormenting all immigrants regardless of their status is a cake walk compared to taking on the female species. My response is based on pure common sense. We are 51% of the population and outnumber you; we're a very well-educated group; after birthing objects the size of a watermelon most women have little fear; and we're very used to dealing with recalcitrant children. These are facts Jim, not emotions. Pragmatically, were I you, this would be my last ignorant sexist comment in print. Better than you have tried this tact and failed. Comments like this are one of the reasons that Larry Summers is no longer President of Harvard. And Jim, you're no Larry Summers.
Cheryl

Cheryl....I know that you are one who speaks your mind.
Considering that you made a comment about me "tormenting" ALL immigrants shows you're not as intelligent as I thought you were.
To make such a statement is pretty low considering most people with common sense know I am against illegal immigration and have no issues with legal immigrants.
In regards to women, You talk a good talk but don't walk the walk. If you and your
51% really had some clout the Country wouldn't be in the condition it is today.
What are YOU afraid of.......So with your 51% figure I now can put the blame on you and your female friends for things being the way they are.
One thing I can't stand are people who talk and don't get the job done. So maybe you can explain why you and your 51% are just sitting back and watching the world destroy itself. You women are like the Gays. you can't stand anyone standing up to you showing you your own weaknesses.
Then you throw the "sexist' crap out at me, like I don't respect you.
I respect people that get the job done, especially when they brag about how powerful and influential they are. Time to come down to earth.
jim@ccfiiile.com

Cheryl,

It's pretty obvious from Jim's original post in this thread that he never considered you, being a woman, to be very smart. So his response to you about having thought you were smarter than you are completely contradicts himself. As for hating people who talk and don't get the job done, he must be filled with self-loathing. He talks constantly and as far as I can tell has done absolutely nothing to improve our community. He clearly doesn't respect women at all which is why I addressed this post to you, a logical, sensible individual.

Karen Salemi

Karen...If Cheryl was a noble woman she wouldn't of "lied" about me.
This has to do with truth but I guess you missed that small point.
In regards to "respect" people that lie about people imo, lose my respect when they pull stunts things like that.
There are women I highly respect, but I don't let people get away with lying about me or my motives.
To be honest with you, I've always felt Chery was an honorable person and was kinda taken back by here untruthful comment.
So far no apologizes, so I guess I'll stick with my thoughts about the matter.
If I said something about a person that was wrong and had to be corrected the "manly" thing to do would be to apologize.
So I guess I'm the bad guy here for taken her to task for it.
This time her post to me, was neither logical or sensible.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Donald....
If you have to ask what have I done, or attempted to do then I guess you haven't been paying attention.
Don't look at non accomplishment as to no activity. I can't be blamed for the town for not paying attention. The warning signs have been made known since 2002. Those running the show refuse to listen and we have a town that on the far South side looks like a third world country. I call that side of town spumoni ville.
Not a particular good look if you looking to revitalize a town. I would call it reverse revitalization. Some people's definition of revitalization must be different than the dictionaries. We have a Chief of police that wants to hire 30 more officers.....
Why? Is crime getting that much worse? You don't want to hire that many people if things are going smoothly. What aren't they telling us?
Jim@ccfiile.com

The Editor of FramingHAm PAtch is too full of Censorship in the name of so called Terms of USE,my Post about MS.Cheryl Tully Stoll is in the Best TRadition of Free Speech of the First Amendment yet was blocked off from Viewers and Readers ! Are you a Freedom Forum or your private advocacy outlet for your own views personally ! There was nothing insulting personally or what have you on my Post ? Obviously you don't care about the First Amendment !
Tragic isn't it ? Gerald Heng Sr.

Interesting What have you done Mr.Donald Wendt ? You too caN produce A Resume here ! GCW Heng

Karen, my brother has TRIED to do a lot more than you, your neighbors and half the town. The problem is nobody is listening. So your comments are truly very unfair. My brother has tried to deal with issues at Town meeting, Selectmen's meetings, his Ways and Means committee, two cable shows, interviews by the media, TV, radio, newspaper...just to name a few. What have YOU done?

The Rizoli's haven't improved the community because the brain dead liberal blind towns folk like living in squalor, love illegal immigrants cleaning their toilets and just love the fact that the South side of town is looking like a little Favala. You folks have lost all common sense for what it means to be an American and stand for rule of Law. To defend someone like Miss Tully who doesn't even know what is an illegal immigrant from a rock tells you something about Miss Tully. What has SHE done for the town?

We try and keep trying. So to make such a comment like you made really doesn't show much for yourself as to common sense and public awareness of the Rizoli's sorry to say either. I would suggest Miss Salemi, that when you point your fingers at the Rizoli's for not getting anything done you check the other three fingers on that same hand of yours pointing back at you.

Joe Rizoli

Proving Jim's ignorance is pretty much like shooting fish IN A THIMBLE!!!

But just to show the other Patch readers, here's a repeat comment i made earlier in the year (with edits for clarity)....

He (Jim) also said this in the comment section of an article in Metrowestdailynews that's entitled "Beacon Hill rally calls for pay equality for women" last year:

"Women shouldn't even be working, never mind getting payed for it.
Let them stay home cleaning the house and doing the laundry while cranking out the kids.
It's a mans world...get used to it....LOL

Jim Rizoli
CCFIILE.COM"

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x1076645616/Beacon-Hill-rally-calls-for-pay-equality-for-women

[Now the last time I threw this out there, Jim said he was joking.....SOME JOKE HUH?]

......My work is done here
-Dan

Dan....Just to let you know you made it to youtube.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8EEuZLjuaE
That quote was tongue and cheek, so I see you're trying to pull a Cheryl Tully....
saying things about me that aren't true. Wouldn't be the first time or the last.
I have a high respect for women, treat them well, and will defend them to the death if their cause was right and just.
People that know me know that, so I really don't have to convince you of anything because people that lie about people like you do are not to be trusted.
Enjoy the youtube video.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Attacks in regards to politics are fine, please refrain from attacking individuals - and that includes an entire sex.
I'll allowed a little rope, but some of you are hanging yourself with it.
If I have to, I will cut off comments from this article.

Sue..... it seems to me the Rizoli's are the ones being attacked..... like usual.
Dan is way out of line here. We're just defending ourselves.
Jim@ccfiile.com

JIm: Don't try my patience. As I am one of those women, you attacked in the first comment posted on this article.

I am an unenrolled registered voter, but you did start by suggesting women "act on emotion and not common sense."

I act on fact; you commented first on this article and posted the first attack.
If you can dish it, you should be able to take it.

But as editor, if the personally attacks continue I have the right to shut down the comments on this post.

Ben...you can reject anything you want but the "facts" stand on their own merit.
I have no sympathy for willful ignorance. If people want to hide their heads in the sand it's their loss. I will debate anyone in an open forum...I've offered to many times. All topics in life are debatable
No takers. So what does that tell me? . When one topic is cut off from debate that sends a message to me....coverup!
Jim@ccfiile.com

Jim, your use of quotation marks around "facts" is appropriate.

Donald Wendt, Karen Salemi, Cheryl Tully Stoll, and Susan Petroni have debated your points--and that's just in this thread. Rejecting your message is done after you air your "points" (again, note quotation mark usage), and we reject them on their "merits."

Ben...I guess your definition of "debated" and mine are different.
So Ben lets go back to the beginning, where have I said I'm against or torment legal immigrants? Complete lie!
If any of those you mentioned believe that I'm against legal immigrants then they are not being truthful, and I can see I'll have no "debate" with them on that one.
Jim@ccfiile.com

I just re read Jim's post. It wasn't offensive. He diplomatically said in the last few sentences that not ALL women were emotionally problemic. The comment wasn't a total sweep generalization. You people have to lighten up.
We've been more than fair in our political assertations of male and females, Democrats and Republicans. The problemic statements by Miss Stoll made slanderous accusations against Jim for "tormenting immigrants" A totally false, unproven accusation. Jim had gone out of his way to have immigrants have a say on his cable show and in public. Her accusations were lies and Her comments were outrageous. For someone so intellectually on the ball she made herself look really foolish.

Joe Rizoli

Jim Rizolli is quite a fellow to excite such Reactions !Agree or Disagree with Jim you all must accept the well worn Democratic Free Speech Formula enunciated by French Revolutionary Liberty Professor Voltaire who declared so many moons ago, "Sir/Madam I disagree vehemently with what you say,but I will defend to the Death your Right to say it! " Not too many people have this Voltaire Core Value of Free Speech in the Marketplace of Ideas ! GCW Heng SR.

Joe, your post is factually incorrect. How do you know that your brother has TRIED (and failed) to improve this community more than me, my neighbors and half the town? You are stating guesses as truths. I, my neighbors, and half the town don't need to be town meeting members to effect positive change. I would argue that my volunteer efforts and those of many of us are equally valuable in the community. Not everyone is vocal about their volunteerism and donations to community programs and organizations, all of which lead to improvement in our community.

Lastly, I find it unlikely that you and your brother are truly interested in effecting positive change in the community when you continually insult the fellow members of your community by referring to them as "brain dead liberal blind towns folk" and repeatedly insisting that they lack common sense.

Ben, you are absolutely right that we in Framingham have heard and reject the bigotry and negativity of the Risoli brothers.

I guess CBS,NBC, Fox etc...and all the other TV cable news programs are guilty of the same thing.
When I go out to do a news story ( I have two cable shows you know) that's part of the game. I look at it as investigative reporting you look at it as tormenting.
I suppose if I didn't use the video in my show it would be "tormenting" but as I do use the footage in my shows what else would YOU call it?
Cheryl it's still an unfair comment to make, especially for one who was one of the founding fathers of FPAC....You would think you would of known better.
I guess all news media people doing news stories that get people angry are tormentors to you.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't mean you should. "Discretion of speech is more than eloquence . . . "

Karen I would agree with you in your viewpoint of volunteerism, you are totally correct there.  But remember I am not a mind reader. You can toot your horn on that area. I would praise you for it, good for you.

As to the rest of your comments typical character assassination of individuals. At least my assesments of people is general not pointed like a gun. But then again, you do it why can't I?

The difference between me and the rest of you is,  I acknowledge when good is done. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Some of you throw out the clock in total. 

Your assesment of so called negativity is laughable. A doctor that tells you you have cancer apparently is a negative person to you I guess,  and a bigot.

 This town has cancer people, accept it. We have some of the cure but you're not listening. Keep playing your games.

As to Susan and being insulted by Jim's comments:

Susan, how do you know the some of the people Jim mentioned about  having common sense wasn't you?

Maybe you have a lower opinion of yourself than Jim has.

Joe Rizoli

As to "discretion of speech" how would you apply that to the sinking of the Titanic?

The town is sinking fast if not already gone. We have made plain through many avenues to numerous to mention how to fix some major problems. You people have ear muffs on even in the summer.

Joe Rizoli

I used to like Mike Dukakis. Overall he wasn't to bad, the fact that he is going door to door for his party and not just relying on their TV ads is hopefully a step (albeit a SMALL one) in the right direction!
Ooops I made a comment to the article...I hope thats ok? (Sarcasm)

Interesting isn't it ? in a Free market Place of Ideas you make your own choice to speak or not to speak,the Market doesn't put a should , ought , or nice , or good or whatever value on your Choice !People can judge the Contents of Ideas and Thoughts,if you refuse to speak no-one can make any judgement/opinion on Nothing on the Page or on the Radio or TV can they ?It is not to say you have nothing ! just not knowable !Why bother to be in an Open Free Market Place of Idea___ the Bazarr of Free Speech !You could use Sign Language but few will understand !

GCW Heng Sr.

Thanks Dave! We appreciate the comments!

Ray are you a town meeting member? We have unfounded liabilities in the hundreds of millions. These on top of the usual bills of running the town itself. The winters coming, unknown snow removal cost over what is appropiated, the schools keep bringing in illegal alien kids, the police want 30 more policemen, we are paying for a building inspector who was exposed on TV as being into some shady deals and he's still out " sick". The illegals are still here with a new blessed by the Govenor radio station upgrade to reach more crooks like them in the northeast. We have a downtown that looks like a Favala on the Hollis st side . Business owners want more beer stores south side.

People who originally were the foundation Selectmen for the illegal alien flight here want a City Government. We are just doing great Ray. 

Joe Rizoli

Miss Tully. I'm not really sure I have ever had a conversation with you personally, so if I have had please let me know where it was and what we talked about.

You state that you have never interfered with the Rizoli's filming or free speech. You're right there, but you also never had conversation or dialogue with us PERSONALLY about it either.

 Now as to your comment being untrue. You have NEVER PERSONALLY WITNESSED our video taping have you? I'm not talking about  watching it on TV?

If NOT then you don't know the context of our interaction with the "immigrants" You don't know what preceded the videotaping, what THEY did or not do to be open to legitimate questions about the illlegal status of most of them in the USA. So you PERSONALLY seeing the context  of our interaction is the issue here.

Apparently "harrassment and tormenting" is in the eyes of the beholder. A crooked politician or high executive going before Congress to answer questions about  corruption would in your opinion be someone who is being "tormented" by the media and Congress.

We have every right to ask questions in PUBLIC about the Brazilians when they themsleves have hijacked our town and acted like imbeciles, clogging our streets with a mob takeover without permission. If you defend that action and we can't ask questions to those that did it or allowed it, then you are part of the problem too.
Were you THERE Miss Tully?

Joe Rizoli

Ray...I'm a Town meeting member. We have unfounded liabilities that go over 200 MILLION DOLLARS. Do you want to take this further? That is why I asked if you were a Town Meeting Member. You would have known that. HOW this gets funded is going to be the fun. I can see you never watched the Town meetings because you would have heard about this. Harold Wolfe Keeps up on all the financial problems heading our way in Framingham. I would suggest you go to his web site for the bad news.
http://abetterframingham.org/framingham-financial-issues.html

>> Most town residents will be shocked to learn that the amount of liability ranges from $200 million to over $500 million. This in essence, brings Framingham close to bankruptcy. We will have to cut costs dramatically to pay for this.
Fifteen years after accruing it, we are being told it's a liability. Is that legally acceptable?
The table below lists the possible liability from $100 million to $500 million in increments of $100 million and a payback period of 20,25 or 30 years. The table entries are the amounts that would be taken out of operational funds. >>

Hows that for you Ray? Still going to question everything I say?

Joe Rizoli

Ray...If there is anyone that is on top of what's happening with the financial condition of the town it's Harold Wolfe. Incredible information on his site.
Jim@ccfiile.com

These figures are something I would never have believed either. I have a fear if these things aren't settled then LOTS of town services and personal could be let go and that includes teachers. Just because this isn't in the papers doesn't mean its not there.
I really fear that our town could go into receivership if this delicate balance of unfunded mandates isn't delicately fixed. Tell your wife and others they really might have to step up their volunteerism a few more notches. We really got some problems that are going to be with us for our lifetimes and our grandchildrens lifetimes. The town simply cannot keep spending. That why I mentioned the police and other issues. These "small beer" problems are going to be the hangover for Framingham.

Now you see why we have our viewpoint on Illegal immigration. It does cost us monies that we really don't have., But they keep coming here putting a burden on an overly taxed system. ( the court system especially ) We don't need people who are not legally here to add to our problems. Illegal Immigration isn't a racial problem it is a financial problem. Whatever cost our hospitals for free care cost us in the long run. Someone is paying for it.
Please understand this. People on this list unfairly target this problem as a humanitarian civil rights issue. It is NOT, it is a financial nightmare for all of us.
It's a real "Tragedy of the Commons"

Joe Rizoli

Joe Rizoli

Joe Rizoli

In the Health Care area even Mitt Romney the GOP Presidential Hope has admitted in Israel that that their Single Payer System funded by taxes grant Universal Health Care to all Israelis as a Right,they cannot deny anybody hEalth Care or the Chronic Cases of Pre-Existing Conditions whatever they are.Israel spend only 8% of its GDP on Health Care Trust System, USA spend 16% and don't even cover eveybody universally their System isn't broken ours is, Obama Care is just reforming it so that eventually it will be universal as obtained by the recent US Supreme Court Decision 5:4 Chief John Roberts swinging to the majority !He has been treated like an Outcast Traitor by the GOP Republicans.If Mitt Romney is serious about his remarks on Israel's Health Care System [started in 1995] he is unlikely to repeal and replace Obama Care !The British Health Care Trust System promulgated by Nve Bevan of the Labour Party [ he was a third generation of Coal-Miners affected by Black Lung Disease] and implemented in post WWII Britain of a Single Payer Tax Funded System was never repealed even by subsequent Tory Conservative Party majorities with their Premiers !That's decency and moral commitment in Democratic Politics aye , even in a Constitutional Monarchy with King or Queen ! So from Queen to Coal-Miners, Labourers they are all entitled to Health Care a la Britannia !Canada is de same so is Australia /New Zealand.

Gerald Heng Sr.
Metrowest Boston,MA. USA/North America.

The problem about the illegals is more complicated than it looks. Take one school for example, Woodrow Wilson. 80% of the students there are Brazilian. 

That means a whole lot money and help is going for a specific population of kids with "special needs", ONLY for that population that if illegal immigration was enforced these kids wouldn't be here in the first place. This cost is hidden and all sorts of lame brain excuses are made for it.

 This entails millions of dollars added to our already cost of a normal education for students. The point here is, if illegal immigration was taken seriously here in Framingham a great deal of money could have been used for other services. The illegals don't care because it cost them nothing, they know that and we are caught in the middle of a scam. 

We have an Adult ESL program that needs to be shut down, fixed, and criminal responsibility and accountability should be applied to those that run that program. The police job in easily helping here is despicable because they could be scanning license plates. 

Our town is one big criminal cabal of people that just turn their heads, allow this scam, use celebrities to endorse it not to mention Jewish Social Service people with their power of influence and monies along with other Catholic, and Protestant organizations and save the world people. 

It's a big scam, and guess what? We are all paying for it in some way shape or form and the illegals are laughing at us all.

Joe Rizoli 

Joe, don't you get bored with the same shpeel? Copy and paste, maybe? I don't think the author of this blog is going to have a discussion with you :) Especially since your usual illegal/Jewish bashing has nothing to do with his post, highlighting a day of his while partaking in grass roots volunteering and speaking positively about the people he met. You should try that, some positivity. Instead of the gay this, illegal that, Jewish something or other.

Kira apparently you like to read what you want. I appropriately set the blame for the illegal problems on a great area of religions not just Jewish. I certainly am not happy with the Jewish stand on a lot of things but the Protestant churches, the Catholic Churches are just as notorious for screwing up this country with what I perceive as nonsense immigration changes. The point being about this post with Duke the Democrat Dukakis is that the democratic party has lost it. They think America has been burdened with the God given challenge to help everybody no matter if they are Illegal, crooks, perverts, or just the regular run of the mill brain-dead Democrats with a blank check book with plenty of ink. The problem here is I actually like Dukakis. He seemed to be a very humble honest man. He probably still is but his association with the DEMONcratic party with its deep pockets for everybody has kinda soured me to his philanthropic philosophy.

Joe Rizoli

DEMONcratic? More disrespect from one of the Rizoli brothers. That's not character defamation, that's truth. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously if you can't write a paragraph without being insulting?

The US Treasury indirectly and the Town have fis cal liabilies to Employees and The Unlawful Entries "Immigrants" when they appear on Emergency Rooms of Hospitals without Health care Insurance on Medicaid the Treasury of the Tax Payers bear the fiscal burdens.Hospitals don't and are not required to ask as a matter of law on immigration status of patients or accident victims or perpetrators !That was one big reason why Obama Care Legislation attempts to do get to Universal Covergae Insurance by the Individual Mandate !That way the Costs of Health Care are spread more widely ! The Stragglers and Non-Insurance will always put the fiscal burdens on the US Treasury of the Tax Payers!Off Shore Islands Tax Shelters exempted ! Gerald Heng Sr.

I like Michael Dukakis even more now than I used to--after reading this article about his efforts and then reading the comments here. I especially admire people who really ARE public servants, and show it throughout their lives, because it is part of their character. Dukakis is almost 80--he doesn't need to care at this point! But he still does--you prove that when you go door to door... This is something I liked about the late Senator Edward Kennedy, too--a man who might have hidden himself away for any number of reasons as he got old--for things he had done as a young man, for the terrifying things done to members of his family, etc. He had plenty of money to just enjoy himself, but he continued the fight to help other people right up to the end. Like FDR. Such people "accrue" honor, whether you agree with their viewpoints or not. Needless to say, I usually agree with their viewpoints!

And if it isn't too sentimental, I would like to celebrate my first year of popping in to The Patch by repeating emphatically my hope that we can all stop thinking of people as easily stereotyped groups, and start thinking of them--of OURSELVES--as individuals. When I first started reading the posts above, I was semi-tempted to cut and paste some of those recent Rizoli gems that I post every so often, not that there aren't plenty of new ones right here! ("women generally tend to act on emotion and not common sense." "You women are like the Gays. you can't stand anyone standing up to you showing you your own weaknesses." "We have every right to ask questions in PUBLIC about the Brazilians when they themsleves have hijacked our town and acted like imbeciles, clogging our streets with a mob takeover" "the brain dead liberal blind towns folk like living in squalor"--along with the usual sprinkling of "illegals", ""crooks", "perverts"). But I think instead I will just say EMPATHIZE. Try to imagine what it would be like to be a member of one of the groups you constantly and conveniently mischaracterize as being less than--as in not as good as, or not as worthy as, or not as valuable as--your lucky selves. I PROMISE it will help you solve at least some of our problems.

Karen, would you be surprised to know that the purist form of your "Democracy" came from Pirate ships?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dx-kHRhY0E

So think about that because my from of Government is what is mentioned in the words of the flag salute where it mentions the "REPUBLIC for which it stands"

So our form of Government is a Constitutional REPUBLIC, one based NOT on DEMOCRACY but on RULE OF LAW. LAWS are how we live not by the whim of the majority which could change at every port of call.

As to my assessment of the Democratic party using the words DEMONcratic, don't take offense it wasn't anyway shape or form a character assassination of anyone person but a group of people. But it's ok for some of you to make absolute vile pinpointed accusations on the Rizolis. The only thing we haven't been accused of yet is eating babies.

Joe Rizoli

David...True Ted Kennedy story.....I was waiting for a flight at Logan while I was in the Army. Travelling in my dress uniform and trying to just mind my own business and read a book. Someone said "Excuse Me..." to me and I looked up. It was Ted Kennedy and his wife Vicki. Unnecessarily he introduced himself and his wife and asked me where I was from. When I said South Boston he said with a smile "Ahh so your Irish!" He told me to be careful and to get myself home safely.
I am a Republican but will always remember that moment. The guy had no obligation to stop and say anything to me. I became a big fan of his after that day.

David....We love everybody just don't like what some of the things they do.
Hopefully you don't take it all too personal.

Karen....'Take us seriously"....LOL The doctor says you have incurable cancer, you feel like crap....You say you don't take him seriously.
Whether people take us seriously or not the conditions exist in this town with or without us.
Your husband didn't believe us about the financial condition of the town....Joe showed him the link to Harold Wolfe's site.
I wonder if he takes those facts seriously. It is what it is, you either believe us or you don't, no sweat off of our backs. The ball is rolling downhill and I see no way of stopping it as we go from here.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Cheryl the bit about the wallet was interesting. Thank you for your honesty, Aparently the people you hang around with aren't as honest as you. Imagine, finding a wallet and saying to you don't return it. Incredible! I guess it shows what type of people go to those FPACtv meetings. 

As to filming people, if you are honest, tell the truth, aren't defending illegal immigrants and their criminality we will get along fine. Most of the Brazilians are illegal and involved in questionable activities and I can understand why they don't want to talk to us. But for you to defend them is another story. If you applied your honesty as to my wallet situation to where you stand for exposing the illegals and their overt in your face criminality then your stand should be a piece of cake.  

To bad you weren't there for those people you defend who you claim "we torment them" almost  knocked me to the ground, but I guess that is a bit beyond " tormenting" wouldn't you agree? Actually it's called "assault". When these thugs start acting civilized then maybe we won't need to videotape them. 

Joe Rizoli

David, I know you are a very caring person, I really mean it when I say that. I also see what your saying about treating people as people, I also agree with that. But here is where we differ.

I will not kowtow to people who KNOW what they are doing as to their illegality in coming to this country. The people you talk about are part of a very well greased system of criminality passed on through generations of getting away with it. "These" people will look at you with sob stories and shake hands with you while the other hand is picking your pocket. The problem David is your caring altruistic self is being hijacked by what you see on the outside. My brother and I go for the inside. 

I wll not put up with people who smile at me in my driveway while they and their cohorts rob my house. You can David, that is your right, but "these" people, got all the emotional bases covered with Americans and sad to say, most good hearted people like yourself have been scammed and worse, they are using you to defend them.  

Go see or rent the movie  "They Live" 
You need the special sunglasses David. 

Joe Rizoli

Dave L-- I for one thank you so much for sharing that great story! Thank you!