Pay Your Taxes, 12 Million Illegal Immigrants Depend on You!

Undocumented immigrants pay billions every year in taxes, while not being able to receive many tax funded benefits, and the rest of the country depends on those funds.

On a recent trip to Cape Cod, I saw the herein pictured bumper sticker, “Pay Your Taxes / 12 Million Illegal Aliens Depend on You."

As an immigration attorney, I love immigration and also a good debate, so it took all I had not to embarrass my family by picking a bone with the truck owner.

The question is though, who depends on whom? And for what? And, the topic of this blog, why do people seem to assume that “illegal aliens” don’t pay taxes?

The statistics are clear that they DO pay taxes. Billions of dollars’ worth. The US depends on the labor and money provided by this segment of our population and on their annual billions in taxes (about $8 billion in Social Security alone).

In a report addressing exactly this topic back in 2007, Congress concluded: “Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use.” The Congress of the United States - Congressional Budget Office. 12-2007.

All knowing Wikipedia (C’mon, who hasn’t quoted Wikipedia?!?) provides, “the evidence suggests that the overall costs imposed on the U.S. economy by undocumented immigrants are equivalent to or outweighed by the benefits”.

The Social Security Administration estimates that 75% of undocumented immigrants are actually on formal payrolls and are paid by check just like anyone else. This means that, just like everyone else, they receive a paycheck with the corresponding tax already deducted. Like most people in the labor force, these tax payers would likely be eligible to receive a good chunk of those payments back yet many are too scared to actually file a tax return – though many more are doing so with the introduction of a non-Social Security tax identification number (ITIN). Through these automatic payroll deductions undocumented immigrants pay into Social Security (again, an estimated $8 billion every year!) but they can never claim Social Security benefits like the documented sector of the population.  And of course, while most of us have a right to the benefits our taxes fund – like welfare, food stamps, and unemployment insurance, undocumented immigrants will never benefit from those programs, despite the fact that they help fund them.

So, who depends on whom? While other immigration topics may provide for a good heated debate, the claim that “illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes” is just not true, let alone the assertion that they somehow depend on tax funded benefits that they are not eligible to receive.

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Mark Cain June 08, 2012 at 07:27 PM
Kira, they work under the table paying no taxes................Period..........Get it?
Kira Gagarin June 08, 2012 at 09:20 PM
If you had read my post you would have seen that I said it is difficult now but was easy several years ago, when the economy was booming.
Kira Gagarin June 08, 2012 at 09:22 PM
Joes, when they are here you want them gone, when they are gone you want them here, beats me. And then you claim you are not racist after posting comments such as, "You've gota love those Brazilians". If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
Kira Gagarin June 08, 2012 at 09:25 PM
The statistics state otherwise. Statistics from Social Security, the US Government, and the IRS.
Mark Cain June 08, 2012 at 09:45 PM
Kira, What the hell are you talking about? Dribble dribble dribble. The Government does not know who they are and doesn't know they are here. What are you smoking man? Lay off the stuff. Kira where do you live? I happen to live right smack dab in the middle of illegal central in Framingham and your going to tell me what's going on? SHAME ON YOU!! They work under the table or steal an ID to get work. Do you believe everything the Government tells you? By the way Obama just said the the middle class is doing fine, do you believe that also? GOOD GOD MAN.
Mark Cain June 08, 2012 at 09:49 PM
Dave, There were no illegals fighting. None citizens yes but no illegals.
Mark Cain June 08, 2012 at 09:58 PM
Good point Joe, That really pissed me off when that tyrant slapped this country in the face and stole all that money, but why not the illegal Brazilians know exactly what they are doing because they are taught these methods and where to go and use them by their own Government before they get here in fact their Government has it all laid out on small billboards with Framingham being at the top!! I know several Brazilians who have told me all about them. The dummies who complain you don't know what your talking about are blind to the situation and don't live in the middle of these tyrants like we do.
Kira Gagarin June 08, 2012 at 10:02 PM
I could point out that I am not a man, but you may argue that too. Sure, if you don't want to believe the compiled statistics about who is paying taxes, you certainly don't have to. Have a nice weekend.
Mary MacDonald (Editor) June 08, 2012 at 10:16 PM
People ought to be able to express opinions on this site without being shouted down, accused of drinking, or what have you. Please keep it civil. A bit of respect goes a long way and people who are USING ALL CAPS are not displaying it.
Mark Cain June 08, 2012 at 10:19 PM
I'll leave it up to your other half to to discuss that but anyway I will have a nice weekend because I'm getting out of Framingham for it. If the Goverment does not know the illegal population and who's here so how on earth can they say they are paying SS and state tax other than when they purchase items in the store? You don't need one of then there rocket scientist brains to figure that out.
Jim Rizoli June 08, 2012 at 10:22 PM
Kira....educate yourself....illegals are stealing from us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9A3AgemXkA Jim@ccfiile.com
Kira Gagarin June 08, 2012 at 10:23 PM
Thank you, Mary.
Kira Gagarin June 08, 2012 at 10:30 PM
This post is not on topic of Taxes and undocumented persons. Thank you for pointing out what the topic was though. And the great advice of giving one's opinion and "dropping it". You may want to listen to your own advice. I agree with Mary that we should be able to discuss issues without accusing those who think differently of being idiots or smoking crack and/or having a mental illness.
Mary MacDonald (Editor) June 08, 2012 at 10:34 PM
I have deleted three posts that refer directly to drug or alcohol use by other posters. It goes without saying: don't write that stuff.
Mark Cain June 08, 2012 at 11:19 PM
Dave, Come on over Frederick st way, The illegals don't hide their status whatsoever. I know where they can get fake ID's at the end of my street with no problem at all. My next door neighbor takes in illegal Mexicans when they are delivered (yes delivered) to Framingham, it's quite a scene to see when the truck pulls up and drops off a half dozen or more, (I have seen about eight vans with Texas plates over the years dropping them off and can just imagine how many I didn't see) they are given a sandwich and a place to bed down for a couple weeks till they get some money and are able to move across the street and away from the safe house. They are not allowed to go far because they must work to give the coyote the thousands of dollars they owe him for the whole process. I was talking to a new comer one time and he told me he was scared shi^less because he couldn't find a job right away and the smugglers were going to hurt his family back in Mexico if he couldn't pay. So any way Dave, this is my street and I rub elbows with these folks on a daily basis. That's how I know what I'm talking about so.............If that;s what you call gifted it's not a gift I wish upon anyone. Hell just ask Kira Gagarin for she is an immigration attorney here in Framingham and knows exactly what I'm talking about. I'm sure her clients have told her the stories. Care to share one with us Kira?
Mark Cain June 08, 2012 at 11:23 PM
Oh and Dave the illegal Asians have there own towns they hang out in, typically the illegals here would just eat them alive. That's fun loving diversity for you.
Joe Rizoli June 08, 2012 at 11:32 PM
Thanks Mark, this is apparently what we have been telling people since CCFIILE.com got started. Nobody believed us or you. I can bet the police know about this. It would be hard to believe they don't. Then again, they take their orders from that American Hate group thte ADL. Joe Rizoli
Kira Gagarin June 08, 2012 at 11:44 PM
You are right. I do hear people's horror stories of what they have gone through on a daily basis. Yours sounds about accurate for a young male. You can imagine the tales of young women and young girls and boys and the abuse they suffered. I am not sure what this all has to do with the original post, or why it is poked fun at. I assume you speak Spanish since you were chit chatting with this newcomer from Mexico. I should hire you, it usually takes me hours to get people to trust me with their stories, maybe you can share your secret of corner confessions?
Jim Rizoli June 09, 2012 at 12:03 AM
Kira...They trust Mark.....LOL What does that say about you. Jim@ccfiile.com
Mark Cain June 09, 2012 at 12:09 AM
Kira, it was a reply from Dave's sarcasm toward me saying I'm gifted to be able to recognize an illegal. I didn't poke any fun at anything in fact I myself find it very disturbing to hear these stories about the abuse and like you say the woman are treated much worse.(ever heard of rape trees?) I do not speak Spanish and have a hard time understanding them most of the time but you would be surprised at the English that some of these newcomers have. As gaining their trust, I am friends with the safe house guy Jose and have known him since he came here about 6 or 7 years now that's why they trust me (he's the boss and he likes me). Every time I see a new comer who is female I cringe thinking what's going on in these houses with these folks. I have seen several woman sitting crying and shaking outside a few times early in the morning while I was on my way to work and it makes me feel sick all day just wondering what happened. I am not a heartless man just a guy who wants the laws enforced. If you ever get any from Frederick let me know because they all know me.
Mary MacDonald (Editor) June 09, 2012 at 12:43 AM
The immigration blog was posted on Milford Patch this week. Just trying to keep it civil, Joe.
Joe Rizoli June 09, 2012 at 01:43 AM
A couple of years ago we had a protest called "don't feed the bears". Bob Berman was there to see us. What it was about was that in Yellowstone National Park it is imperative that people don't feed the bears there. Yes, the bears are cute and you think you're helping them, but you are not. Infact you may be killing them or having them meeting a timely death. WHY? Because helping the bears causes them to rely on humans for their food which isn't good for wild animals. If the bears don't get their food then they raid the camp sites and even kill some people. This is called blowback.  We have the same problem with helping illegals. Helping  illegals helps perpetuate a criminal empire that hurts people including rapes, family breakups, divorce and all those social problems that come with the illegal alien "blowback". So thinking you are helping these people is really not helping.  Lastly, helping the illegals doesn't help the countries of origin of these people to solve their problems of employment. Those countries never fix their problems, it is thrown on the USA. The richest person in the world, Carlos Slim lives in Mexico, he is doing nothing to help the problem of illegal aliens leaving his/her country to work here in the USA.  Go to the Social Contract Magazine Spring 2012 pp69 Chapter 13 http://www.thesocialcontract.com/ Joe Rizoli
Jim Rizoli June 09, 2012 at 02:25 AM
Here is the video of the don't feed the bears protest. Mark you're in this..... http://tinyurl.com/bqx6r8x Harvard article about it http://www.drclas.harvard.edu/files/Brazilian%20Immigrant%20Participation.pdf Jim@ccfiile.com
Myd Nevins June 09, 2012 at 03:29 AM
Mary, what's the odds of just not crossposting Framingham articles here in Milford? Getting tired of hearing the rants of the two village idiots over there. I lived in Framingham for awhile and love the majority of the people there but its getting sad to realize I associate the town with those two now.
Jim Rizoli June 09, 2012 at 04:46 AM
Myd....We come up with the facts you can't stand the truth... Jim@ccfiile.com
Joe Rizoli June 09, 2012 at 05:01 AM
Kira, as to your original article here about taxes I would read this link that Jim posted. It starts off talking about The Rizoli's and the group CCFIILE. >>http://www.drclas.harvard.edu/files/Brazilian%20Immigrant%20Participation.pdf << 1, The article on the printed page 2 mentions that Framingham had at that time 14-20 THOUSAND Brazilians Immigrants. ( We still believe it was more but this is good ) Right Donald? 2, Jim Rizoli is quoted on page 3 saying: "we do not have a problem with legal aliens who come that are trying to do it right" ( Rizoli's are NOT racist or hate "immigrants" that are legal ) 3. Now, as to Kira's article: this VERY important quote page 7. >>That...Self-employed, undocumented immigrants ( are ) the subgroup least likely to pay income taxes>> and that p 8 >>Many Brazilians in Massachusetts have started the own construction, painting, and cleaning companies instead of seeking employment in other peoples businesses>> pp 100>>However, many Brazilian immigrants who took the survey indicated that they do not routinely pay taxes on their income.>>' pp 114>>Undocumented subcontractors were the subgroup of immigrants least likely to pay income taxes.>> Kira, do you see what this article proves? The "illegal" Brazilians are mostly SELF Employed and they are the LEAST likely to pay income taxes.. Joe Rizoli
Joe Rizoli June 09, 2012 at 07:00 AM
Ok let's keep track of the civility that Mary talks about. How about being called names like imbecile, nitwits. And the latest "village idiots" Mary, you're doing a great job. Apparently the rules for Patch only apply for a few. Joe Rizoli
Joe Rizoli June 09, 2012 at 09:16 AM
Joao, human trafficated to Framingham >>The human trafficking network that has sprung up around the transport of Brazilians to the United States via Mexico is extensive and sophisticated. One of the people whom I interviewed, João, told me about the illicit network that oversaw his trip from Minas Gerais to Boston. He paid a travel agent in Brazil to arrange his journey, which began with a flight to a Mexican border city. Once there, João was connected with a professional smuggler who hid him underneath some blankets in the back of a car and drove him into the United States. The man then took him to an airport in California and put him on a plane to Boston, Massachusetts. When João arrived in Boston, yet another smuggling network employee picked him up at the airport and drove him to his brother’s apartment in the nearby town of Framingham. There, João’s brother paid the driver the remaining sum of money that João owed to the human trafficking organization for his safe arrival in Massachusetts.<< PP 20.. http://www.drclas.harvard.edu/files/Brazilian%20Immigrant%20Participation.pdf Joe Rizoli
Jim Rizoli June 09, 2012 at 09:56 AM
There are some that think that the illegals come her haphazardly but as you can see its a fine tune organization that runs it. We've been telling you this for years but you refuse to listen. Sad to see how the Americans are contributing to this modern day slave trade and refuse to speak up. When people like us do say something we're labeled as haters and racist. The real heaters are the ones that allow this to go on. Jim@ccfiile.com Bw
Mary MacDonald (Editor) June 09, 2012 at 11:31 AM
I cross-posted this blog because I thought it offered a perspective on immigration that people would be interested in reading in Milford. But I don't want to police these comments all weekend and I think we've heard enough.


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