LETTER: Snowstorm Knocked Out Framcom and Frambors; Fix is in the Works

Moderators for Framcom, Frambors want subscribers, to the popular Framingham lists, to know that while the Snowtober storm temporarily knocked out the service, a fix is in the works.

The server supporting Frambors, Framcom and other related lists is still down thanks to the first snowstorm of the year.

Please be patient, as it is expected that it will be several days before it is up and running.

Subscribers to the lists will be notified when posts will be accepted, and all posts sent while the system has been down will likely be discarded.

Kathy Vassar and Linda Dunbrack

TMM November 16, 2011 at 03:04 PM
The people in Framingham are fortunate to have Frambors. There are no other towns that have an email exchange like Frambors. How else would concerned people be informed and speak about latest events in our town government? Steve Orr, as well as a few other Town Meeting Members have generously given their time and skills to create and maintain this mail exchange for a number of years. Overseeing Frambors is a daily effort. Frambors' importance is more apparent and missed since the time it has been down due to the storm. Remember, Frambors is a service to the community. It is not a for-profit corporation. We should be thankful - not critical.
Judy Richardson November 16, 2011 at 03:20 PM
Frambors is great. Thanks to those who volunteer their time and effort to maintain it.
TMM November 16, 2011 at 05:13 PM
Jim - please... flooding comments with smart remarks and constant arguments with other people who comment as you do on Patch.com is why people and various media forms are annoyed. Of course you have a right to speak, but avoid generalities and sarcasm in your opinions. Also, blasting numerous comments in articles is not considerate to other readers. Just think about it. Thanks. I will not be responding.
Jim Rizoli November 16, 2011 at 05:36 PM
George I have the perfect right to comment as much as I want and on any subject matter that I find interesting. People don't have to read my comments or even respond. The fact that they get "annoyed" is their problem not mine. I'm annoyed by a lot of nonsense that they post on this site too but I don't try to stop the people from commenting. This site along with the framboring site censors people and that's a fact. The fact that many people don't comment is just a sign of the times. People generally are apathetic about everything today and that is the reason why the world is like it is. A small minority controls the masses and the masses don't seem to care anymore. The fact that I comment more than most people show I care. Most of the other people here are just eyes behind a computer screen, and they will never be anything more than that....sad! Jim@ccfiile.com
Susan Petroni (Editor) November 16, 2011 at 06:16 PM
Jim is right in one point. Many Framingham residents are apathetic and don't comment on town/school issues. If more people who lurked (read and don't post a comment) participated, they would chimed out others who post excessively.
Brenda Crawshaw November 16, 2011 at 06:30 PM
Jim and Joe, you are absolutely incorrect in your categorization of the Frambors loop. It IS a privately owned and moderated loop. There are rules to be followed, the primary ones being that all participants must provide their full name and contact information to the owner and, most importantly, that the issues discussed and comments made must pertain DIRECTLY to local Framingham government. This rule is closely enforced, one reason why the Frambors loop is such a valuable tool to those of us who wish to understand, learn more about and participate in local political discussion. Joe, you were banned from Frambors after several warnings for your failure to relate your rants about illegal immigration to the local platform and Jim, you were banned for repeatedly using the resources of the list to perpetuate your "Holocaust Hoax" proselytizing. Both of you were given several opportunities to stop abusing the privilege of participation in the loop and neither of you were willing to abide by the rules of this PRIVATE - and free - service. (By the way, I don't make the news; I am merely reporting what's been reported to me.) There is no censoring on Frambors. Participants are held to a set of very reasonable rules which in my opinion makes the Frambors loop a valuable tool. Otherwise, it would be just another place where every Jim, Joe and Harry could expostulate on topics irrelevant and uninteresting. FYI - freedom of speech is guaranteed only in a public forum.
Kim Poness November 16, 2011 at 08:06 PM
I would never consider myself small-minded, bigoted, short-sighted or prejudicial, but I am a member of the frambors loop. In the short time I have known Steve, we certainly haven't agreed on everything, and as far as I can tell, I'm still welcome on the list. As a brand new town meeting member, I find it incredibly helpful to read the questions/answers/comments/issues and compare those to what the folks in my neighborhood are saying is important to them. As far as commenting on the Patch site or the MWDN, I'm much more comfortable posting here, though I don't do it that often. There is much more honesty, and MUCH less "bullying" here. Though I definitely care what's going on in town, sometimes reading the things people say in the comments sections, particularly in the MWDN, is just downright depressing. So many people seem to be rude, discriminatory, judgmental, and just plain nasty (present company excluded, of course :). So while I care, I find it exhausting and spiritually draining to be exposed to that kind of negativity. I also work all day, and like to spend my nights researching, reading, and just being with my family - all of those things take priority over posting comments. All of that said, now I’m off to post some comments on positive stories!
Marge Olsen November 16, 2011 at 09:17 PM
Why do we put up with these clowns? All they want to do is make trouble. If they want to start a competing mail service they're welcome to. Other than that they can keep their worthless opinions to themselves. Why on earth haven't they been banned from Patch?
Susan Petroni (Editor) November 16, 2011 at 09:50 PM
Kim: Thanks for your post. I think one of the reasons is that we ask that everyone who posts on Patch use their real first and last name not say Susan5656. It makes conversation "somewhat" more civil when you know who you are conversing with. You also can choose not to have a conversation with someone, based on whom they are. Marge: As for Jim & Joe - I have deleted a few comments of theirs and they have been warned on several ocassions in regards to certain topics; but once I give the warning they start behaving. Everyone has the right to flag a comment they find inappropriate. If a comment is flagged enough time by the "Majority" of users on the site it is hidden. At this time, Patch has not banned Jim & Joe, as they are both elected Town Meeting members; and once warned they do start behaving. If they ignore warnings, etc than that would be cause to be banned. I can't monitor what they post 24 hours a day, 365 days a year; thus why the flagging system is available to all Framingham Patch users. And once again, if everyone who clicked on a story or everyone who read a story commented on it, "the comments of a few" would be less important and would be just a couple of thousands of comments. One final thought, as editor, it is my opinion that comments should be about the topic and not attacks on individuals or other people who comment; especially when we are dealing with a topic not related to "taxpayers funds"or elected officials.
Kim Poness November 16, 2011 at 10:06 PM
Susan - I really think you have a good site here, and to your point, I'll make it a priority to post more often, even if just to say "Great idea!" or "Good job!" or "Tasty recipe idea!" or "Come back online soon, Frambors!" :)
Susan Petroni (Editor) November 16, 2011 at 10:55 PM
Didn't I just say no attacks on individuals. This is everyone"s warning...
Cindy Roach November 17, 2011 at 03:19 PM
Can't pretty much any screw up be in Town Meeting? Aren't there like 300 seats and only 130 voters in a typical session? I don't think that qualifies anyone for anything. This is an article about a community asset being temporarily out of service. But like 75% of Patch artlicles the discussion ends up revolving around 2 individuals. Why is that? Wouldn't the discussions be more meaningful and informative without them?
Kim Poness November 17, 2011 at 03:29 PM
Cindy - that's not exactly a fair (or very nice) statement. Any "screw up"? I'm proud to be a town meeting member, and I take my involvement in town government very seriously. That said, and more to the topic, the leap from the topic of frambors to the topic of town meeting is not as big as you'd think. The Rizoli's are saying (and gentlemen, I know you'll correct me if I'm wrong :) that the list is promoted by its moderator to new town meeting members, but that the nature of the list is exclusionary. I'm not saying I agree with that sentiment, but that's how the small leap was made.
Fritz Wilhelm November 17, 2011 at 06:02 PM
Who cares what they think? They're a couple of nuts and we're sick of being dragged into discussions about what they think. With all due respect it takes 25 signatures to get on the town ballot for town meeting representative. I'll bet 95% of candidates run unopposed. So, yeah, "pretty much any screw up be in Town Meeting".
Kim Poness November 17, 2011 at 06:16 PM
Fritz - sadly, you have just reinforced the reason I tend not to post. Why are people in this town so generally uncivil, nasty and insulting? I wasn't raised here, so I don't know the answer. I just don't understand. Apologies for being off-topic, Susan. To bring it back TO topic, so far I have found the frambors list to be civil and polite, and I hope it's back up soon.
Fritz Wilhelm November 17, 2011 at 06:45 PM
Frambors lists are great. That's the whole point. Let's not pretend being Town Meeting rep is some big honor or something though.
Susan Petroni (Editor) November 17, 2011 at 06:58 PM
Kim, like you I didn't grow up here. I chose Framingham to raise a family and have been here more than a decade. I think it is fabulous you chose to get involved and volunteer your time to be a Town Meeting member. It is sad that people who don't volunteer their time and don't try to make a difference in a community have nothing better to do than to take swipes at those who do. No apologies necessary!
Brenda Crawshaw November 17, 2011 at 07:10 PM
Kim, PLEASE don't refrain from posting because of the comments of people for whom making them might just be the highlight of their day! As in any social infrastructure, roughly 80% of the conflict will be caused by roughly 20% of the participants. So just ignore them as you would any tantrum throwing individual and chat with the rest of us!
Jim Rizoli November 17, 2011 at 07:46 PM
I try to be civil here and not make post too personal....that being said...my brother and I have been the target of some good mean spirited posts and misinformation as you can see. We try to be involved in the way the town is being run, have some solutions to the many problems but as you can see some people would rather take swipes at us instead of offering their own solutions. The way I look at is .....at least we're in the trenches, whereas those that jump in for a swipe at us really do it out of spite and really don't care about anything but to have their two cents posted to make it look like they are doing something. I would say most people who have had personal contact with us know us to be reasonable and easy to get along with. We do have strong opinions, but hey, that's life, it makes things interesting for all. Jim@ccfiile.com
Kim Poness November 17, 2011 at 08:02 PM
Brenda and Susan - thanks for chiming in and giving me some much needed perspective! And Jim, you've never been anything but a gentleman towards me, and I appreciate that as well. Thanks all!
Susan Petroni (Editor) November 17, 2011 at 09:21 PM
Talked to Steven Orr, the owner of Frambors & Framcom. He says "new server is built and running. I have to set frambors up and then we're rolling." So basically, a little more patience for those waiting for it to come back online.
Jim Rizoli November 17, 2011 at 09:43 PM
Sue We don't need Frambors...Patch is ten times better! Jim@ccfiile.com
Joe Rizoli November 17, 2011 at 10:06 PM
Joe Rizoli Let me tell you how I feel about being a town meeting member. I think it is an honor. Town meeting members although many, RUN the town as to how the taxpayers monies are spent. I do everything I can to live up to that. To have these comments about being a town meeting member being any type of "screwups" or other insulting words is very disrespectful to ALL the town meeting members. It takes quite a commitment to be a town meeting member. Like I said it is an honor to be able to participate in the town government in some small way. Shame on those whose comments think otherwise. Joe Rizoli
Jim Rizoli November 17, 2011 at 10:12 PM
If I was paid for all the time taken up at TM and on the committee meetings before I would be rich! I enjoy the company of those who have the same commitment and also have more knowledge of matters than me. That way we all learn and move forward together to try to make the town function as well as we can for ALL. If you haven't made room for being a TMM than you can't really complain when things don't go your way. Jim@ccfiile.com
Brenda Crawshaw November 17, 2011 at 11:56 PM
Jim and Joe - I can't believe I am getting the opportunity to say this to you both - but AMEN to each of you for your last comments here. We have a rule in our house - if you don't vote you don't get to complain. And when people VOLUNTEER to vote on our behalf we as a community are indebted to both the bloc of voters as a whole and to the members who are members of that bloc.
Kathy Vassar November 25, 2011 at 10:57 PM
Steve has spent hundreds of hours working to get the syslang network up and running..... Almost finished but a couple more days until everything is ready to go. There will be some changes when it gets going.which will be explained when everyone is notified that the list is ready to go. Kathy Vassar
Susan Petroni (Editor) November 25, 2011 at 11:34 PM
Kathy: Thanks for the update!


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